@redacted answered my question on premine sales on HT
"You can tell they are NOT the premine, since those coins sit in prime controllers, and those prime controller addresses are are known and shown on the richlist. Believe me, there would be lots out outcry if any of the coins in prime controllers started moving out of thier wallet addresses and showing up for sale on exchanges."
well then where are the 1000S of coind sold on paybase coming from???
I would say the leftovers from the Hashpoint distribution round, they had more than was needed I believe. In my opinion, this would still constitute being from the premine.