@redacted answered my question on premine sales on HT
"You can tell they are NOT the premine, since those coins sit in prime controllers, and those prime controller addresses are are known and shown on the richlist. Believe me, there would be lots out outcry if any of the coins in prime controllers started moving out of thier wallet addresses and showing up for sale on exchanges."
well then where are the 1000S of coins sold on paybase coming from???
one guy alone posted a buy from paybase of about 488,000 xpy
This again should be trivially simple. There has to be a true believer somewhere who bought a coin on paybase. Follow that coin back to where it was created. This coin isn't very old, it shouldn't be too hard.