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Re: Bitcoin 20MB Fork
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inBitweTrust
on 31/01/2015, 00:48:43 UTC
... and others that have very slow internet connections under 2Mbps wont be able to assist with being a full node.

You mis-interpreted my post. My point was with 20MB blocks, you will no longer be able to host a node on consumer Internet Plans. The important number was not the 2Mbps download, but the 4Mbps upload. BTW, to get those numbers, I simply multiplied my former node's bandwidth usage by 20.

My current ISP has reduced the speeds it is offering for consumer access. The fastest upload offered on a consumer plan is 3Mbps. Business plans have an option with 5Mbps of upload. (Experiments like 250Mbps down and 15Mbps up are being grandfathered)

Telus, the local phone company, is better with it's VDSL offerings. You can get 5 or 10Mbps of upload speed. For independent providers (using the same lines), like the one I was with, your maximum upload speed is 5Mbps. To get 10Mbps or more, you have to go to fibre, costing $$$$. VDSL and cable may technically be able to handle that, but the companies involved don't want to cannibalize their lucrative fibre offerings.


My overall point is that if we go ahead with this fork, we have to do it with the understanding that the era of running a full node on a consumer Internet connection will be over. Due to extra CPU overhead (due to transaction processing), the days of running on a VPS may be over as well.

Now, with 20MB, I expect dedicated hobbyists and small businesses will still be able to run a node, but it will be a considerable expense: hundreds if not thousands per month. Webhosting may be cheaper, but then you can't keep an eye on your box; or plug hashers directly into it.


You are cherry picking those stats and making some incorrect assumptions.

The reason I took a smaller figure is because your assumption entails that those 20MB will be at least 20-30% full. A VPS that costs between 5-10usd a month should be able to act as a full node no problem as well.

http://www.netindex.com/download/2,1/United-States/

A global avg for broadband upload is 9.9 Mbps
The data for the US reflects upload of 10Mbps
Avg upload for mobile in US is 6.2Mbps


I'm not citing advertised peak speeds either but real world data gathered independently.


Now, with 20MB, I expect dedicated hobbyists and small businesses will still be able to run a node, but it will be a considerable expense: hundreds if not thousands per month. Webhosting may be cheaper, but then you can't keep an eye on your box; or plug hashers directly into it.


5 dollars a month max for a VPS if they live in an unusual location with only shitty ISP's to choose from is a lot?

p.s... I am sorry that you have such slow Internet speeds, but be aware that you are the exception and not the rule and 5 dollars can host your own website, tor relay, and full node with no problem. I will even help you find a good VPS if you need to.