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[13:13] hi huey
[13:13] how are you good sir
[13:16] hello
[13:16] so whats up
[13:17] so before we begin any kind of detailed information, i need to know what your affiliation is with gaw/homero
[13:18] obviously youre a trusted community member, an admin on the hashtalk forum
[13:19] detailed information?
[13:19] i dont work for GAW
[13:19] GAW doesnt tell me what to do
[13:19] are you related to anyone at gaw
[13:19] no
[13:19] not a single person
[13:19] look
[13:20] i came here because you asked me to
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[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> hmm
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> ok
[13:21] <92AAAHTIH> is this thing working?
[13:21] yes
[13:21] i have no idea what happened, but youve got a few connections open
[13:22] <92AAAHTIH> i do?
[13:22] yeah youre connected to his chat twice
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[13:33] hello
[13:35] hey
[13:35] whats up
[13:35] so youre in josh's church group though, right?
[13:36] nope
[13:36] i thought i saw something on bitcointalk a while ago about that
[13:36] we have never attended church or the same church together
[13:36] so is this you just trying to get info ?
[13:36] cuz if so
[13:36] no, it's me finding out if you can be trusted
[13:37] why not just ask these question on HT
[13:37] because if i ask questions on ht, i get shadow banned
[13:37] me answering questions on here does not prove my trust worthyness
[13:37] just saying
[13:39] anyway, lets get right down to it
[13:39] are you in a leading role at teampaycoin?
[13:39] yes
[13:40] do you run the website as well? or is that someone else
[13:40] another team member
[13:40] why?
[13:41] how much of the community would support a decision to break away from affiliation with gaw/homero completely
[13:41] in your honest opinion
[13:41] i see the future of this coin
[13:41] break away how?
[13:41] but not with homero involved at all
[13:41] most of the community has already left
[13:41] so either we wait for him to go to prison, or we fix the problem by removing him from the equation
[13:42] ok i see what your saying
[13:42] well
[13:42] what are you thoughts on it, thats most important to me
[13:43] I think i would like to say more
[13:43] but
[13:43] i dont opperate this way
[13:44] what do you mean?
[13:44] irc?
[13:44] i am not asking you to give me any insider information about anyone or anything
[13:44] i could care less about the drama and shit with gaw and the current status of paycoin
[13:45] i do care about the future of it
[13:45] if you want to have a disscussion about this im willing to have a google hangout disscussion
[13:45] I care too
[13:45] thats why im talking to you
[13:45] cuz clearly you care
[13:46] but i need you to understand
[13:46] you know exactly who iam
[13:46] and my public intentions
[13:46] i on the other hand
[13:46] have no idea who you are
[13:46] thats why i dont opperate like this
[13:47] google hangout is what, a video chat?
[13:47] yes
[13:48] do i seem unreasonable?
[13:48] im willing to dissucss this with you
[13:49] as am I, but I can't say that i'm eager to video chat with you just yet
[13:49] thats fine
[13:49] what would the video chat prove to you
[13:50] I opperate very differently then most people on the internet and in crypto
[13:50] i use my real name when i can
[13:50] once I reveal to you who I am, you'll understand why I am acting this way
[13:50] i try to be consisitant and honest at all times
[13:50] I have a successfull business and reputation to worry about
[13:51] i understand that
[13:51] well trust is one of those things
[13:51] what about just audio
[13:51] if just the initial conversation of a community takeover is making you nervous
[13:51] then you may not be the right guy for the job
[13:51] i'm the guy with the tools to make it happen, youre the guy with the community
[13:51] listen
[13:52] paycoin isnt GAWS
[13:52] its not mine
[13:52] or yours
[13:52] its the worlds
[13:52] thats where you are wrong
[13:52] right now gaw owns paycoin
[13:52] as of today i am
[13:52] they have majority stake
[13:52] but soon ill be right
[13:53] im not nervous talking about this... because its always been my intention to give this to the world
[13:53] so like i said
[13:53] if you want to start with just audio
[13:53] im fine with that
[13:53] but honestly its hard to have a converstion through texting
[13:55] you there?
[13:55] im about to go make some lunch
[13:56] hello?
[13:56] im here
[13:56] ok
[13:57] so should i go get lunch?
[13:57] you dont seem to have much more to say?
[13:58] im perplexed that you keep demanding for video/audio chat
[13:58] well
[13:58] i thought i explained myself
[13:58] right, and i explained to you my need for anonymity
[13:58] but if you absolutely dont want to reveal anything about yourself then thats just as perplexing to me
[13:58] in the intitial stages of this, you're going to need to have faith that what I'm telling you is the truth
[13:59] think about this
[13:59] faith in what
[13:59] im not asking you to do anything
[13:59] im telling you my entire plan
[13:59] ok
[13:59] and you bring in the community at the end
[13:59] this entire thing has to happen stealthily or we will lose the coin to gaw permanently
[13:59] so if you are on board with this, you need to start thinking differently
[14:00] you will be making yourself a target prematurely
[14:00] in what way?
[14:00] im already a target
[14:00] youre not a target if youre an admin on the guys forum
[14:00] and leading his community
[14:00] people called my cell phone complianing...
[14:00] people emailed my church calling me a liar
[14:00] im sure you get all kinds of complaints
[14:00] all i did was invest in a company
[14:00] lol
[14:01] so im already a target
[14:01] yeah but youre not targeted by gaw
[14:01] from people who dont share there real name
[14:01] I have admin status so i can assign teamxpy badges
[14:02] I dont mod
[14:02] or ban anyone
[14:02] but yes obviously im not fighting GAW
[14:02] or they would ban me
[14:02] lol
[14:03] And team xpy isnt gaws community
[14:03] so this whole thinking differently thing is simple to me
[14:03] you claim you can somehow take control of the coin
[14:03] ok
[14:04] if thats the case why do you need me?
[14:04] wont everyone have no choice to follow you then?
[14:04] whomever you are
[14:07] the reason that you are necessary is simple
[14:07] hello?
[14:07] without the community, the coins doesnt matter
[14:07] you have direct control of the community who is now bleeding out, thanks to homero
[14:08] ok
[14:08] so what do you need from me
[14:08] because there are detials that might interest you very much so
[14:08] you need identify who in your group you can trust, who else will be on board with this...
[14:09] for your protection
[14:09] the last thing we need is info getting leaked
[14:09] i have a core that i would trust with my life
[14:09] plan and simple
[14:10] i told you before, im not interested in any of the terrible things happening with gaw/xpy
[14:10] he's already got whats coming
[14:10] hes going to finish himself off
[14:10] we need to be focused on helping the people who's lives he ruined
[14:11] and the people who are once had a physical miner they bought, they were deceived in to buying vaporware miners and giving up their hardware, and then had their vaporware taken away from them with nothing in return
[14:11] people who converted thousands of dollars in hardware to a web page that shows its mining paycoin
[14:11] look bud... i fully understand what has transpired over the past 8 months
[14:12] if you want to talk about that im not interested in this conversation
[14:12] i don't want to talk about it, but you implied you had details i would be interested in
[14:12] so i felt the need to stress my point and intentions
[14:13] see that right there shows me a lot
[14:13] I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing
[14:14] but I am eager to rally the troops, we need to kickstart this PRIVATE discussion
[14:14] well seems to me like you're more interested in GAW then th coin
[14:14] i could care less about GAW
[14:14] i dont know how many different ways I am not interested in GAW.
[14:14] ok
[14:15] I can say*
[14:15] so what do i need to do to start this Private discussion
[14:15] I need you to find out if others in the team are on board with this idea
[14:16] weed out the people you can't trust
[14:16] you think we are idiots? we have disscussed it
[14:16] listen, i know nothing about how you guys operate or at what level of self governance
[14:16] honestly we have already weeeded out those people
[14:16] but its admirable that you've already brought it up
[14:17] of course you dont... you never asked
[14:17] lol
[14:17] ive personally interviewed and chatted and questioned every person on the team
[14:17] 3 rounds of interviews before anyone is extended an invite
[14:18] they are all good people
[14:18] who want to help the coin
[14:19] some will be intimidated by this task im sure
[14:19] or buckle in fear of lawsuits and threats from attorneys
[14:19] not if its the right thing to do
[14:19] this is a mutiny
[14:20] it's not going to be easy or pretty
[14:20] but we are doing the greater good
[14:20] i know many people, personal friends, that have lost a significant amount of money because of xpy
[14:20] i even have family members invested
[14:20] are you kidding me?
[14:20] i have family that has
[14:20] friends
[14:21] hundreds of thousands
[14:21] of there money
[14:21] gone
[14:21] great. so lets rally the team here
[14:21] do you have development staff that you can trust?
[14:21] rally around what?
[14:21] or is that all gaw controlled
[14:22] we have a team of 17 core devs
[14:22] none of them are controlled by GAW
[14:22] period
[14:22] i dont know how many times i have to explain that to you
[14:22] who controls the github
[14:23] for what
[14:23] the coin?
[14:23] look
[14:23] this is your plan
[14:23] seriously
[14:23] no
[14:23] gain access.. fork it and be done?
[14:23] i was asking a question
[14:23] i mean you think we havnt thought of this?
[14:24] huey, i wasn't pitching that as a solution, i just asking the question
[14:24] relax a bit
[14:24] fair enough
[14:24] no single deed will fix this coin
[14:24] the github for the coin or what?
[14:24] the .com?
[14:24] the github for paycoin
[14:24] they control that
[14:25] however
[14:25] yeah.. lets just leave it at that for now
[14:25] i expected that, so its not a big deal
[14:26] ok
[14:26] ...
[14:27] my concern is we cant salvage any of the coins
[14:27] look at this for example
[14:27] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10146342#msg10146342
[14:27] the post by vancefox
[14:28] the coins look to be spread out really well, we cant identify who is who
[14:28] those numbesr are way out of date now
[14:28] fyi
[14:29] that number has shrunk
[14:30] is there a posting of more accurate numbers
[14:30] no i dont keep up with that crap
[14:30] its a waste of time
[14:30] most of them have not even read the source code
[14:31] our dev team already has fork ready that would apply major change to the coin.... but wouldnt kill it
[14:31] but we dont control that yet
[14:31] can you tell me more about the changes?
[14:32] i thought this was a disscussion about how you have the means and i have the community?
[14:32] honestly i could but at what gaim
[14:32] once again i dont really work with people i dont know
[14:32] right, but obviously changing the functionality of the coin to free it from the grasp of one organization is an important thing to discuss
[14:33] so if you've already laid the ground work for that, id be curious to hear more
[14:33] actually let me clearify ... i straight up dont work with people dont know
[14:33] ive not only laid the ground work for it
[14:33] we have plans in place to make it happen
[14:34] so what youre saying is i should just sit back and let you guys do it?
[14:34] or would you prefer some help
[14:35] well
[14:35] that depends
[14:36] i have no idea with what you would help with
[14:36] cuz i have no idea who you are
[14:39] hello?
[14:40] if you cant deal with the fact that you dont know who i am right now, then so be it. but my intentions are true...
[14:40] ok
[14:41] so what at this point are you asking of me?
[14:49] ok then
[14:50] this was productive
[14:50] lol
[14:50] sorry, i was taking care of something
[14:51] i wasnt expecting you and the team to have this stuff already planned out
[14:52] so i need some time to think about strategy
[14:52] ok
[14:52] options
[14:52] are the name of the game
[14:52] most important being making sure none of gaw's coins get forked
[14:52] the premine needs to go away
[14:53] and with it take away all the customers coins too?
[14:53] that will indeed kill the coin
[14:54] no
[14:54] we need to differentiate from the two somehow
[14:54] incredibly difficult
[14:55] it can be done, i just need to think about it for a bit
[14:55] over 4.5 million in coins
[14:57] plus you need to consider what this would do to all the Hashstaker customers
[14:58] and prime holders
[14:58] seems your plain would only benefit coin holders
[15:25] ok then
[15:25] seems like youre too busy
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