For what it's worth, I am still working on a couple of projects whenever I can find the time. While I'm not really close to finishing anything major (a lot of this stuff had multiple programmers working on it all with different styles... in addition to being incomplete) but there is some really good stuff to work with here.

The bottom completely fell out of the altcoin market - nobody can justify hiring the talent required to work on anything outside of bitcoin at this point. The bottom line is that there is still more value here than anything else I'm aware of in the altcoin market. While I intend to port some things over to Murraycoin as well... we still have real potential if people can start working together and I can actually get some of this stuff into production. I'm still trying to decide how to separate this stuff from all of the other garbage - I have some ideas.

Cryptocurrency has transformed into just a hobby for me at this point... but I am heavily invested while also being in a unique position where we can still do some cool stuff. I haven't been keeping up with this thread but I skimmed the past couple pages and I have to say... the logic behind (what I'm gathering) is the plan eludes me. It's obviously just restructuring existing value in hopes to move the needle enough in your favor to unload coins - it sounds like you guys are trying to trick each other. We've seen this stuff tried over and over again and it has never worked because the coins themselves are not the problem... the core technology is not the problem... the problem is there is no point to the coins outside of pipedreams and big ideas. OctoCoin tried to be something different - these guys were all legit and I was excited when I became a part of the team... but altcoins themselves are what beat down this project. This was just another altcoin heat check that was written off by curious investors dipping their toes in the water. Companies are shut down all the time when it becomes too difficult to turn a profit - this was one of them.

If we have people in here who have the talent to actually put something big together (along with the time to actually invest in it) then I think we can start moving the needle. My concern is that all I'm seeing are people debating about how to divide the coin totals, "trade in" coins, and other nonsense - this isn't going to make OctoCoin blow up. This is stuff that might have worked briefly a year or so ago (even then it was only successful short-term) but this is different situation.

The projects I'm working on can help but they aren't going to be enough on their own. Some of the really great stuff I have access too remain the property of others and I will have to pay licensing fees to use portions of the code - as they are flat fees, I will have to release them for Murraycoin and possibly even bitcoin as well. The lack of exclusivity certainly lowers the ceiling for OctoCoin. Some of the gambling stuff that I don't want associated with Murraycoin and don't want to risk the legal issues with bitcoin could be OctoCoin exclusive... but prioritizing here is difficult.

Basically I just wanted to say there is still some hope here. There was an unraveling of this community... we are in the middle of an altcoin wasteland in general... and even bitcoin is struggling to climb right now (which is mind-boggling) - this simply isn't a great time to be attempting to hype things up and release projects. Now is a good time to plan... and develop... and be ready when the timing is right. This isn't a sprint - we're less than 11 months post-launch here - in any other industry less than 11 months would be considered a joke. There is a reason altcoins are dead or dying - people don't understand business. There are far too many people here with no talent and no patience just hoping to strike it rich on the backs of those who actually put in the work. It's great to brainstorm and formulate plans but, in my opinion, you guys appear far too concerned with the superficial aspects here - this currency needs substance.

I need some sleep...