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Re: Child kidnapping by the Norwegian State
by
Marianne Skanland
on 15/02/2015, 16:00:40 UTC
  
The report, now in a preliminary form, from the Council of Europe which you have linked to, Naine, is very important, I think:
Social services in Europe: legislation and practice of the removal of children from their families in Council of Europe member States
January 2015

And it is brand new! I had no idea of its existence. Wonderful - where ever did you find it? There are several formulations there which are so rightly critical of abuses going on that I can hardly believe my eyes. I have only skimmed through it, but I must study it more closely. (Hmm, the reporter is Russian, Nemo - a feather in Russia's cap too!)

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About different countries:


A thought about CPS in the Southern Europe. I don't see many (any) complaints about it. Having lived in Spain and travelled around Italy, I can say that family structure and  bonds there is very close to those of Russians and Eastern Europeans. A Spanish family as a whole would fight tooth and nail if a child is even slightly inconvenienced, independent of how distant a relative that child is.

I wonder if it's only my impression or if it is actually better to move South to avoid CPS harassment that surfaces in Scandinavia, Finland, GB, Holland, Germany, Switzerland..?

I don't think it is only your impression. There are indications that the countries of Southern Europe have a greater respect for the family than we do further north, and I think probably it has something to do with their Catholic faith, its greater veneration of mothers and family ties altogether.

Mind you, the northerners can "impress" them about our "welfare" and our court procedures, so that they will hand over Scandinavian refugees with children to the country which demands them back. Exactly because the southern countries do not take children away from their families on the same loose grounds that Norway does, Norway can wave court verdicts which seem very very impressive and the southerners will perhaps tend to believe that in a near perfect country like Norway, with its heavenly economy and divine social welfare system, a parent who has been condemned by a court to lose his/her children must be very bad indeed. I guess they have difficulties understanding how pervasive the lies and deception of the CPS system are, and find it equally incredible that Norway should send halv a dozen policemen and social workers down to get a child, unless that child was in incredible danger.

But nevertheless: I think Catholicism gives a certain protection against the inhuman thinking so usual in CPS circles, which perhaps Protestantism and atheism do not give equally naturally.

And since we already have the promising report from the Council of Europe (to which the European Court of Human Rights "belongs"), let me mention one particular person:
the French judge at the European Court of Human Rights, Edmond Pettiti, at the time of the Olsson cases against Sweden. He is the judge that to my mind really stands out in Strasbourg. And he was a devout Catholic, I believe. He went extra strongly against the Swedish authorities in a dissenting opinion, expressing among other things the importance of the parents' love and "respect of their most sacred rights". Here it is:

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Olsson 2: PARTLY DISSENTING OPINION OF JUDGE PETTITI, JOINED BY
JUDGES MATSCHER* AND RUSSO

"The social welfare authorities displayed what was almost
contempt both for the national courts and the European Court. It is
somewhat surprising that neither the courts nor the governmental
authorities managed to force the "imperialism" of the social
services to give ground.

At no time did the social welfare authorities take the least
account of the love for their children that the parents sought to
express, a love that was demonstrated by the years of struggle in
proceedings to seek to obtain the return of the children and the
respect of their most sacred rights.

Clearly, the Olsson parents' attitude was not always
helpful, particularly after 1989, and they must therefore bear a
part of the responsibility. Yet one must not forget their despair
after the repeated failures with which they met even after the
favourable decisions of the European Court and the national courts
(see paragraph 53 et seq. of the present judgment)."

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A little more about the Olsson cases is included e.g in this article:
Norway and Sweden – where inhuman rights prevail
by Siv Westerberg