It's a start-up industry and as you may or may not know, most fledging companies never make it past year one. There is no degradation or humiliation in trying.  We as "investors" see potential in the industries surrounding bitcoin but don't necessarily have the ability, funds, or wherewithal to create our own start-up so we place our faith in others who seem to know how.  Sometimes we lose, sometimes we win.  The only degradation I see comes from you and your ilk; sitting on the sidelines pretending to have all the answers and taking glee in other's losses.  AM did quite well in the early years and it wasn't "luck" as friedcat has abilities beyond yours and mine but Friedcat is still human and I would imagine when subjected to the stresses involved in running a company would have a similar reaction to the rest of us.  I mean look, even NotLambChop has lost interest in his incessant, condescending posting in here and he really enjoyed it.  Perhaps it also became too much for him to continue?  So it seems that Friedcat and NotLambChop have given up on their vocation to both our joy and to our dismay.  I feel neither degrade nor humiliated and I wish them well.