read the last two pages of the nine9ninja thread posts its a real joke over there one of the main ones/adman just said to win 1. pay your self off was his first choice so we need to invest wait 100 hours for a 125% return and if that does not happen they want us to buy our own input off and than go back and wait 100 hours more i said (ARE YOU NUTS)   go bet the money line on a good MLB game at least its honest u get a real 50 50 chance or better if u ask me than all this crap here