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Re: Everyone calling for Quickseller to end war on tsp; QS ignores thread for weeks
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Quickseller
on 20/08/2015, 07:14:37 UTC
I would ask, if tspacepilot has lied about fraudulently withdrawing any money in the past (I believe that he has), then why should his word be trusted regarding the magnitude of how much he withdrew because of his bot?

I don't think he thinks of it as fraudulent. I don't either. Using a bot to automate boring tasks isn't fraud.
The TOS of coin chat was something along the lines that if you are running a bot then you must include the substring "bot" in the account you are posting from, tspacepilot named his bot "b0t" to trick the mechanism that awards money for posting into thinking that his bot was not actually a bot, and to trick anyone casually looking that he properly named his bot.

In other words, he agreed that any account that did not include the substring "bot" would not be using any kind of automation to post/chat. He did not honor this promise. 
Tspacepilot was also inquiring as to how people abuse the faucet on Prime Dice

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I believe this shows that he is interested in doing similar things in the future (e.g. using automation to receive money from websites that he should not be receiving.

I don't think so. I'm interested in all kinds of scams. Not because I want to be scammer, but because I want to understand how they work. I find them interesting, and I find that understanding them is a good first step to being prepared to defend against them too. You seem to be condemning him for asking questions and being interested in the subject.
He has a history of using bots to earn money from websites when doing such would be against the rules and fraudulent. I believe that stunna would consider someone using a bot to claim the faucet on PD from multiple accounts to be fraudulent. I would also say that faucet farming that occurs on PD is likely to somehow include the use of bots.

His inquiry is similar to a convicted rapist asking a victim of rape how the perpetrator got away with the crime against her.
What tspacepilot did was fraud

I don't think so.

"wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain"

He ran a bot, aiming to provide a service to fellow chatters. The bot earned a small amount of commission for being active on the site. That's not fraud, even if the T&C said that bots had to have "bot" in their name and his didn't.
You have this backwards. The TOS would have said something along the lines of that by accessing coin chat tspacepilot agrees that he will name any bot with the substring "bot".

This would be similar to if JD had a rule that when people make bets they should verify the bet and submit the outcome of the bet so JD can debit/credit their account accordingly (and JD would not check all of the results to ensure that everyone was reporting honestly). This would obviously be a very poor implementation and would be asking for fraud, however it does not mean that anyone who lies about their bet result would not be committing fraud. 
Furthermore when he was called out on his fraud, he responded with intimidation and trolling. Would you consider someone to be trustworthy if after you left them a negative rating, they started trolling both you and JD (without any substance other then the fact that you left an "unjust" rating)?

No, I wouldn't. How did he attempt to intimidate you?
He created multiple threads trolling me, and was posting in various threads for months trolling me. He made it clear that unless I would remove my negative rating against him that I would continue to receive such trolling. I have spoken to a number of people regarding this matter who have expressed feat of being trolled if they were to speak on my support or to leave a negative rating against tsp despite their support for me.
would you trust him with a small amount of money, say 4BTC? What about an amount similar that was claimed by TF that tspacepilot stole, say 0.5BTC? What about half that amount, say .25BTC? What if there was a way that would guarantee that you are in fact speaking to tspacepilot but had no way to prove your agreement (e.g. only you would know that you got scammed), would you trust him with any of the above amounts?

No. I don't really trust anyone with anything. I very rarely have to. I'm in the fortunate position of having a good trust rating here, and so when I trade with people they are almost always willing to go first.
Fair enough.
I don't think I would hold it against him that one of his first attempts at writing asynchronous code had a bug in it, or that he was unable to come to a resolution about it with TF.
The bug (assuming he was telling the truth about this) is not the issue. The issue is that he agreed to name any bot with the substring "bot" and did not (then subsequently withdrew funds that he should not have).

Are any of the above answers impacted on the fact that you know that tspacepilot withdrew money from coin chat that he was not entitled to? Does the fact that tspacepilot lied about withdrawing money from coin chat numerous times affect any of the above answers?

I'm not aware of him having lied about anything. Is there some example you can quote?
See that last post in which I replied to you. I gave several examples in this thread in which tsp said that I was wrong in my rating. My rating is factually accurate as he did deceive coin chat when he told coin chat that he was not using a bot (when he was posting from an account that did not include the substring "bot), when he was using a bot. He also routinely said that TF was lying when in this case that does not appear to be the case.