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Topic
Board Scam Accusations
Re: EskimoBob is a scammer, witness reports inside
by
EskimoBob
on 26/09/2012, 08:57:26 UTC
This is a very interesting case, indeed. Thus, I'll split my post into two parts: One regarding this individual agreement on its own, and the other based on a broader view of things.

Part one:
Unless there is any objection to the log that was posted, it seems pretty clear that the original agreement should be considered void. Fjordbit has a good point, however, in that the silence portion should have its own value. Thus I would like to see one of the two following outcomes:
1) EskimoBob refunds 5.3 BTC and the shares are returned to him. No, he will not need to pay the original escrow fee. The reason he should not have to pay the escrow fee is because usagi agreed to pay the fee himself, instead of asking EskimoBob to split the fee with him or at least including the escrow fee as a penalty should the agreement be broken. Additionally, the escrow failed to follow the agreement all the way through by releasing the funds immediately instead of waiting an agreed upon amount of time to ensure that the agreement was kept by BOTH parties. This is besides the fact that it is not legal to indefinitely buy someone's silence. However, I think that we can all agree that EskimoBob did not stay silent long enough to be considered reasonable by anyone's standards.
2) EskimoBob refunds the difference between the market value of those shares at the time of the agreement and the value he sold them to usagi for (.53 BTC/share) and usagi provides nothing in return (other than the satisfaction that the agreement was successfully unwound). It's safe to assume that this difference was the agreed upon value of silence for EskimoBob.

Part two:
Here's where things get interesting. It is board policy that, in order to help scammer investigations, NDA's and other such agreements will not be honored for the purpose of the scammer tag when the agreements are broken in order to reveal a scam. Interestingly enough, this seems like it might be the case. I will absolutely need to do more reading into this. If anybody can help shed some light on the issue of usagi allegedly investing BMF funds into non-mining operations, I would appreciate that.

There's also the matter of where the funds used to pay EskimoBob came from. Did they come from a business that was in default? If so, that automatically makes usagi a scammer, placing EskimoBob off the hook.

For these reasons, it will most likely take a few weeks to decide this case. If EskimoBob wants to make it easy on me, he can simply do one of the two options I laid out in part one. As always, the scammer tag decision does not have anything to do with the actual legal system, so keep that in mind when deciding what to do.



Code:

                    Shares     Market PricTotal M V 
GIGAMINING                    0 0,63979999          0
BITBOND                      10 0,33510001      3,351
PUREMINING                    0                     0
YABMC                         0                     0
DMC < not mining           1291   0,010005   12,91646
BTC-MINING                  300     0,9598     287,94
RSM                         210       0,29       60,9
JAH                         410       0,12       49,2
007                          11      0,115      1,265
ABM                         200      0,125         25
BMMO                       3775  0,0200001   75,50038
MERGEDMINING                  0 0,07979999          0
BTCMC                       170     0,4001     68,017
BFLS.RIG                    200        0,6        120
UDN                        1000 0,03498999   34,98999
LTC-MINING            50      0,415      20,75
FPGAMINING                  300       0,37        111
OBSI.HRPT < not mining      1000       0,06         60
JTME                        120  0,7898899   94,78679
ASICMINER                     0     0,1169          0
BIF.5-10.MININGBOND         120       0,33       39,6
NYAN < Not mining            24      0,799     19,176
BAKEWELL                    330 0,10500001      34,65
BTC-BOND                   4800      0,009       43,2
                                           1162,24261
                                                 4594
                               NAV (va rig    0,25299



Prices are from today, list of investments is from 20.09.2012 (at least this is the date on his page http://tsukino.ca/bmf/holdings-nav/)

BMF contract:
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5. The fund is mandated to only invest in bitcoin mining companies listed on the GLBSE and to perform due diligence when investing in securities on the GLBSE.


I also have a screenshot and those holdings are reported earlier in the forum post. 

I recommend reading complaints after the post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=112734.msg1219645#msg1219645

So, who is scamming who?
Usagi piggipacked his absurd demands on a buy back of BMF shares and now is accusing of a scam. He is mad at me because I and many others are not happy what is happening in BMF and in other portfolios under his management.
I am not the only one here, who has shown what he has actually done with the investors coin.