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Re: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)
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VeritasSapere
on 31/10/2015, 22:36:55 UTC
Truth can stand on its own, people please use wisdom and reason, measure our arguments by thinking for yourself. Decide for yourself what you think would be the best path for Bitcoin. Do not be fooled by the constant ad hominem and sophistry. Inform your self and understand what the pros and cons are and do not forget that Bitcoin will reflect the will of its participants so think carefully of what you would like Bitcoin to become.

https://medium.com/faith-and-future/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1#.ybxg8kz61
Yes it does  Cheesy
It sure does, which is why more then seventy percent of the miners now support bigger blocks. Smiley
Which pretty much means nothing until 100% of the nodes agree.  Smiley
That is impossible, 90%-100% consensus is impossible among large groups of people. Bitcoin was also never designed to be this way, Bitcoin can split with only 51% of the mining power. This is a good thing because it solves the age old problem of tyranny of the majority.
Watch it happen retard.

Still pretending a 51% miner attack is a legitimate fork of the network heh  Roll Eyes  oh well...

Do you understand what Bitcoin is? A peer-to-peer network? If you honestly believe the protocol is dictated by the mining power and not the actual peers then there's really no use wasting my time with you.

To be clear: no, Bitcoin cannot split with 51% of the hashing power.
I do think that Bitcoin is a peer to peer network, ultimately it is the peers/nodes/people that decide what Bitcoin becomes. Since it does reflect the will of its participants, if that will becomes split then so does Bitcoin. I do not think that a 51% split is always justified but it certainly is possible both theoretically and technically.

If the network is forked by the majority of the mining power and it is not supported by the people then that fork will not succeed because people will choose not to use it. This is why miners are incentivized not to go against the economic majority or the will of its participants, because it would be impossible to do so over the long run. This makes the interrelationship between the full nodes and the miners more complex. It is the miners that initiate the fork, while it is the nodes that ultimately decide which version will become the most dominant, this however is part of a process that does begin with the miners.

I use the term fifty one percent mainly for theoretical reasons since a split would be much more likely to occur when the majority introduces a fork which a smaller minority then refuses to follow. Which I think is within their right to do, in the same sense it is within the right of the majority to initiate a fork through the miner majority. It could be that over time the weaker chain could grow to become the more dominant chain again. If it proves itself to be better and more people choose to use that chain instead. In this way the market decides and people decide. This is the root of freedom behind cryptocurrency. However this does mean that the eccentricities and abstract nature of humanity will be reflected onto cryptocurrency as well with all of its flaws and beauty.

Whether a split will happen depends on the conditions. I think it is only justified when there are fundamental ideological disagreements that can not be resolved. I think it is highly unlikely that this will happen with this blocksize debate, however I am rather certain that we will see this happen in the future, most likely over entirely different issues. It is a radical concept but it does lie at the heart of the Bitcoin protocol and it will help secure the freedom presently inherent in Bitcoin. Even if the majority does not choose freedom, we will always still have the choice. This is the technological gift of financial freedom that cryptocurrency has given us.