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Re: Bitcoin XT - Officially #REKT (also goes for BIP101 fraud)
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VeritasSapere
on 02/11/2015, 21:16:30 UTC
There are appeals to authority and ad hominem within this piece, only point two is effected by an appeal to authority and ad hominem, point one, five and six I have already responded to separately.
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Ad Hominem:
"Full of lies and desperation of someone who risked his entire reputation on something and lost; and now strops around like a petulant child."
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This certainly is ad hominem.
"Mike claims miners will switch to BIP101 in December if Core doesn’t release a block size increase, this is a complete lie." 2/ how is that and ad hominem? Shocked he shows disagreement and then follows with an explanation
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It is ad hominem because he is saying that Mike is lying, how does he know that? He could believe that what he is saying is true even if it is wrong, this is why proving that someone has lied is not always that easy because it depends on a persons motivations and intention.
"Clearly Mike is trying a game of poker here to frighten people." 2/ yep, can be considered an ad hominem, though it's not an argument, rather a conclusion
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It is still attacking the person and again it is related to a persons motivations.
Appeal to Authority:
"Truth is miners have outright rejected any controversial change that does not include Bitcoin Core where the vast majority of technical experts reside." 2/ where's the appeal? it simply states the truth as it is currently
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First of all this is a list of "lies", according to the article. This article goes on to imply that this will be true for the future as well by saying "Mike claims miners will switch to BIP101 in December if Core doesn’t release a block size increase, this is a complete lie. Truth is miners have outright rejected any controversial change that does not include Bitcoin Core..." So in context the truth that is being claimed is that Mike is lying about about the miners switching to BIP101 in the future because of "appeal to authority/"where the vast majority of technical experts reside".
"downstream users, rely on Bitcoin Core because they know it has the expertise and stability. XT has nothing"
"Companies are not going to follow a renegade fork and in the end, they are going to trust the technical expertise of those who can provide long term support and have a proven track record in the field."
I have struck out parts that were not among these 6 points (I have specifically asked for fallacies among these points).
I never specifically stated that it was for these six points, I was referring to the article as a whole. I just do not think it is productive calling someone a petulant child and a liar in terms of having a productive discourse.