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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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billyjoeallen
on 07/11/2015, 18:20:31 UTC

Let me put this another way:

I bought bitcoin because it never even occurred to me that it wouldn't scale.  Many new users don't know now that it doesn't scale, but when we run up against the hard limit and your beloved transaction fee market kicks off, everyone will know and nobody likes paying high fees for something they are used to getting nearly free.

The investors/speculators are the only reason this thing works at all.  You are taking us for granted.  We do not exist simply to facilitate drug deals.  WE buy the coins. WE supply the liquidity. If you don't give us what we want, we invest elsewhere.  Without us, nobody pays the miners and everything grinds to a halt.


I  tend to agree, as more and more users become aware that Bitcoin doesn't scale, combined with frustrating user experiences of txs getting stuck, and txs becoming more and more expensive, for sure a part of the users will turn away from Bitcoin. It will make the price drop, since most of it comes from the future expectations of Bitcoin.

Of course, if LN is up and running before it plays out like this, and it doesn't degrade the user experience, Bitcoin won't fall off the cliff.  However, the Core client devs take quite a risk by taking Bitcoin hostage like this. I know I'll vote with my feet. Once I see evidence of the downward spiral, I'll sell my stash. I bet I won't be the only one, and the option of another cryptocurrency taking over becomes a very real possibility.

Because one thing is sure, cryptocurrencies are here to stay.

This discussion is getting annoying. Of course people who pay no transaction fees are getting stuck, but that is not a cause for greater blocksizes. You think you have the power because you buy bitcoins? You do NOT pay the miners, the system does. It's actually your attitude that is pretty arrogant, not the other way around. Do you know what would happen when the miners decide to cut back their hashing power? I do. VERY few blocks found for a LONG time! You have to realize that mining is not cheap, and miners do require those fees more and more since block rewards diminish. https://blockchain.info/de/charts/network-deficit  
The times when people were willing to get negative balances for their mining are long gone, the market regulates itself.


Are you retarded? What is the mental deficiency here? Ok, how about basic math, that should be uncontroversial, right?  A block reward of 25 BTC with BTC trading at $300 or a block reward of 12.5 BTC with BTC trading at $800----which is greater, Einstein?? 

Which is greater, 10 xaction fees of $1 each or 50 xaction fees of $0.25?

WE PAY THE MINERS BECAUSE WE DETERMINE THE PRICE WE ARE WILLING TO BUY AT. Why is it so hard to get such a simple concept into your thick motherfucking skulls?

The miner compensation argument for smaller blocks is complete and utter bullshit. If you can't see that immediately, then you are either an idiot or a liar.