Some of the trolls here just put out garbage, but occasionally there is some substance in what they say. So much so that, together with recent events, I'm starting to rethink my position with holding this coin. Here is why:

- Max Keiser no longer claims ownership of Startcoin/Startjoin on his Twitter page.

- When I saw him appear with Karl Gray in support of Startcoin a while ago, he seemed disinterested like he'd rather be somewhere else.

- I think I remember Max recently talking about creating a new altcoin. Why? Isn't Start[Suspicious link removed]d enough to concentrate his efforts on? Heaven knows that it is needed.

- All too often when Max has made an announcement that pushes the price up, there is a big price fall shortly after. It's as if, as the trolls have pointed out, that he is pushing the price up to milk it.

- Max seems to be now pushing his new BitcoinCapital ventures, rather than Startcoin.

- Karl Gray seems to be doing all the running. It's as if he has bought the rights to Startcoin off Max, with Max giving token support.

- Karl was critical of Stacy Herbert showing up late in his first podcast. This might have been mock criticism, or it might not have been. It seemed serious to me. It could be tension in realising he might have bought a turkey, if that is what has happened.

- The substance in Karl's first two podcasts were for me, unconvincing. Some cosmetic changes, but mostly pie in the sky and all in the future. Talking about Startcoin being second to Bitcoin in two years time seems highly optimistic. What about Ethereum? What about Litecoin? And two years is a long time in an altcoin's lifespan.

- I get the impression that Karl's podcasts are a panic reaction to the price falling. All of a sudden he shows his face.

- With Karl's financial backing and Max's marketing real progress in positioning Startcoin well into the Top 10 coins should have been made by now. I'm appalled that Karl has left it so long before doing something.

- I'm also questioning Startcoin's focus on being a crowdfunding coin. Buying it to give to others sounds very altruistic and good, but is altruism what I really want as an investor?

- As the trolls have pointed out, Maxcoin could be a template of what is going to happen to Startcoin. Max and Karl made promises with that coin that never materialised.

I'm voicing my opinion here strongly to get some real action from Max and Karl. Give the community some real substance. Show us all the level of your committment. Otherwise, I for one will be leaving - pronto.

In short, I'd be more convinced if both Karl and Max assured us that Max is still in charge. I'd also be more convinced if Max would beat the Startcoin drum a hell of a lot more than he has done of late - and a lot more than he has done with his BitcoinCapital ventures. Karl and Max, I challenge you both to come out and prove me wrong. If you were both as committed as you have claimed to be, with your resources Startcoin should have been a premier coin long ago.

Edit: I note that my words are being doctored here and that isn't "Start[Suspicious link removed]d" enough? is coming out as a suspicious link! Incredible.
Edit2: There, it's done it again!