maybe YOU need to see what was written by a 'newbie' account - and then tell me to look into your history ...

when i see a newbie account talking the talk - i would like to see him / her walk the walk ... obviously you have - so my apologies also ...

i think that if the consensus is simply to allow any and all to have part ownership of parts of karma - then so be it ... i truly believe it will go no further than what it has done ...

im not here to fight over who has the bigger appendage than the other scryptminer - i dont care if yours is bigger or you hold more than i do or that you OWN the backend ( notice - OWN ) ... the argument you have put forward is of no consequence to the points i have made ...

in essence - the ownership of the entire backend PROVES that a takeover with complete control MEANS a more successful karma ... if you already have copyrights and business components - then how on earth do you suggest a decentralized way of operation when the CORE is centralized ...

just make it YOUR coin - and spread the karma ... i dont see an issue with that - nor do most ... especially if you already OWN 70% of the coins infrastructure ...

oh - and if a takeover is 'never going to happen' - i think its because it already has ...

maybe you should look into who i am - and what i have done ... just so you know that i am quite competent in differentiating a decentralized infrastructure and a centralized one ...

i have always been - and always will be - in favor of a hardfork AND in favor of a complete takeover of the coin and its infrastructure so that it can move forward ... whether you think i am a viable candidate is irrelevant ... if you hold that much of the infrastructure and others hold rights to components of the coin and logo etc ... then really look at how you intend on moving forward with a keen eye ...

a brand - yes agreed ... how? ... you tell me ... especially when the owners of all those copyrights and trademarks are not willing to give them up? ...

decentralization - go right ahead - i would like to see this happen on a centralized infrastructure like karma ...

its great that you pay for everything - its great that you and your team ( notice it was YOU that kept saying your team ) is taking care of business - its great that its all still kept alive and supported by you ... i have a similar situation - with one quite stark exception ... i OWN it all ...

there NEEDS to be a leadership - that is MY opinion ... obviously its not yours ... so be it ...

you may be talking to a person here that is willing to invest a great deal - or nothing at all ... but as long as you have this type of direction - then the coin will be directionless ...

i guess its up to you and the team you own now mate ... seriously ... i would back you totally - if i KNEW that what you were doing would work ... but i have no faith in this type of ( mis ) management ...

btw - if you ask me what i can bring to the table ... then the question should actually be - what is it karma can bring to the table FOR those that are looking at investing / coding / marketing / etc ... i need not prove anything - especially if my time - effort - and money is going to be invested into an infrastructure that is completely out of my control ...

i do hope that karma does get back ontrack - but i certainly hope it wont be in the headless direction its currently at mate ...

#crysx
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I am a humble servant of Karma, I may own the infrastructure, some domains, some social pages, some copyrights but I don't see it as my OWN property. I do always said that I love the idea of Karma and thats why I choose to help out when it broke down last year.
I proposed already several Idea's with the faded Core Team but we never really got on the same level. Time fly's and now we are here again with the very same question than last year.

I do agree with you that leadership is required, but that is not to mistaken with ownership. I am running a Smart-Contract Lab and something we plan for next year is to build Autonomous Organisation. I believe if we would come up with a good concept for Karma that we could build such a system for it.
Basically a DAO is fully transparent to anyone. Any money that goes into it can be seen by every person. Members of the DAO will have shares of some sort depending on their position and activities towards the DAO. This is all governed by Smart-Contracts that will watch, execute and secure all Channels.

I will be happy to put down my ideas but as any new idea will require a Team of ppl that would help the cause our main issue is that we lack of those. I have not the capacity at this time to run a full project on Karma hence it is somewhere in the backlog. However time is passing and we already see technical
issues such as the Wallets.

Lets see if we can find common ground and interest and go from there.
My support is still unchanged

/scrptminer