hey man , sorry you feel that ways. i dont know where you get the idea that i am controlling... all my point was that when i speak i speak on behalf of myself as a karma enthusiast and as equal to everyone here. I don't recall when you have offered to help before. if i missed things before i apologize for not reading it. only in your recent post do i see that you want to get involved. From the that i got  that you want total control of all the resources. and from what i posted is that if you want that , ask the community. we're safe keeping the accounts here(me and East), and not dictating, censoring or any other forms you make it seems like we are. if you want to get access get the rest of the community or at least the majority of the active ones here to agree that they would like to see where you want to take it.

i just don't see how you can say i am stopping you or i am giving you that vibe.

when i mention the people who dont "walk the walk" it was in regards to why nothing (service wise) is being built. I used two example to show that few people had ideas and possible actual plans but they needed had from community and no one really stepped up (including myself). I wasn't calling you out. I said it in regards to why we are where we are on that level.



i did say that most of the things you mention do not necessary need you to have total access to get things started. There are few services that will not be given up to anyone on a whimp.

     Karma forum : the forum is run and being paid for by scriptminer. it was his work and you should take it up with him if you want access to that.
     Current website : http://www.givekarma.net/  is also setup and upkept by scryptminer , so same as above
     karmacoin.me : is controlled by me and its only a domain and i redirect it to givekarma.net

the first two services i dont have a say about it and i am sure scriptminer is open to additional help.
karmacoin.me is just a domain, kept by me and i redirect it to scriptminer ever since kostmost took down his site. i need to keep this domain alive since it was a lot of work to get all the services that accept karma to change it from the previous old site. it is registered by me , but its the community that can decide what content to have on it or where i redirect it. if you want to set up a site , you will have to clear things out with scryptminer and come to an agreement and have him be okay will me stop redirecting from it as to me it seems unjust to stop redirecting to his. If anything i think you should talk to scriptminer and work with his site.



    The OP account here , i have no problem sharing the log in details (if the community is okay with you or who ever)
    The FaceBook groups.. well i can easily add anyone as an admin.
    The reddit pages just as easy as well..
    The source code, that will be the hardest to share. you can gain commit access but it will take time before we can give total access. hope you understand why.

To clarify again, we are not owners. we are safe keepers. and i find it bit weird being called out on things that we Own are what is preventing you from working with Karma coin.

If you want to build things on top of karma, you can no mater how much you think i will i try to "stop" you. If you want to change the code, well you will have to get consensus from majority of people here , and if you do get that then there is no way for me to stop you if i wanted to anyway. which in reality it would be the opposite of what i would do. if there is consensus then i would be all up for it. if i have objections with your or anyone proposition, i will behave just like anyone one else here in disagreement. i will share my thoughts during the consensus timeframe and only fight you than, not when the majority want it and i don't.


Now we can go back and forth all you want, but i dont see how i led you to believe i have power to stop you...  

edit: the long thing short: if you want something we are controlling, ask the community permission not ours.