I wasn't attempting to theorise, just make a logical argument. I can make it even simpler, if you need it.
By the general dictionary and encyclopedia definitions of "religion," atheism is a religion. But if it is not, it is so close that it might as well be.
The fact that God exists (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13609627#msg13609627) shows all the more that atheism not only is a religion, but that it is a religion in the direction of a cult.
Way to ignore the entire conversation. I thought you above that sort of thing. I guess you're not going to answer any of my points then? In future don't bring up thermodynamics if you don't really understand it.
There is no fact that proves god's existence. However, if there was such a proof you'd probably be very unhappy. Why? (and I'm sure BitNow would agree with me here)
If god's existence could be proven, there would be no need for Faith. However, Faith is a central part of religion. Without Faith, religion cannot exist. Therefore if you prove the god of a religion to exist, you have just killed that religion.
I'm not sure he's ignoring the whole conversation. It's more that he doesn't accept our scientific observations and theories. Which means it's hard to debate on anything as he points out that all that we present as facts are just theories (which is right but it's the very principle of science, you can't prove anything most of the time, you just elaborate a theory describing perfectly the universe you know until something new blow it up).
But I disagree with the point you're making with faith here. Old gods were believed to be true but also "proven". At the time of ancient Greece, there was no discussion about the existence of gods, the fact that the sun goes up and down was by itself a proof, so be it for the lightning, proof of Zeus wrath.
Faith is an essential part of modern religion because people know there can't be any proof of god's existence, but it was not the case when we had limited knowledge of our world ^^
Good point. I meant only modern religions - I was assuming BADecker belonged to a religion that values faith, but I could well be wrong about that.
And I agree with your interpretation of thermodynamics laws. Entropy is a question of energy and order. Nothing to do with complexity. In fact how would you even define complexity?
This thread?
I just realised that even if gods existed, I'd still do my best to ignore them. Most organised religion seems to me to be like being in a co-dependant relationship with an all-powerful and abusive father figure.
Given the state of the world (and comments of religious followers, especially the ones that suggest mass murder might be an appropriate response to having their point of view challenged) if one of the religions were correct and there *is* an omnipotent god, I'd be immediately taking it to court for crimes against humanity.