Quote from: BldSwtTrs on January 23, 2016, 07:03:21 PM

It's interesting to see how Back frames the Nakamoto consensus as democracy.

What he doesn't get is that in effect the Nakamoto consensus is a proxy for a market mechanisms. Democracy is not market, the two are entirely different beasts.

He thinks it's a struggle between democracy and logic whereas it's a struggle between market (what is called democracy) and central planning (what he called logic).

If Bitcoin is forked it will only means that miners care about the long term value of the system, not that they are illogical people who follow demagogic arguments. His views of the world is incredibly patronizing ("I am logical, the other are illogical"). He doesn't get that logic is a poor guide in a complex environment.

This is a subtle point. With Bitcoin, the market is always right. It's pretty heavy.

Quote from: iCEBREAKER on January 23, 2016, 12:16:27 PM

Quote from: BlindMayorBitcorn on January 23, 2016, 11:46:14 AM

Quote from: gmaxwell on January 22, 2016, 07:47:06 PM

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SOME interactions between new and old clients POSSIBLE

What are you saying isn't possible? Did you suddenly lose functionality when CLTV was released?

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but will be left passing the parcel of unknown content

No they won't-- but even if they were, why would that be bad?

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95% consensus

95% of what? and where are you getting that figure from? The code in the Bitcoin classic repository doesn't appear to attempt to do that.

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when 95% of people are happy

Oh, of people? How the heck do you intend to measure that? ... if we could measure that we likely wouldn't need the blockchain.

So what's the difference between a hard fork and a contentious hard fork?

Non-contentious hard forks (historically) addressed some outstanding issue that threatened Bitcoin's functionality. IE, they fixed something that was indisputably broken.

Contentious hard forks seek to fix or improve what "isn't broken" from the perspective of some non-negligible faction of the socioeconomic majority.

Block size is the perfect example of this. It pits the 'payment network' vs the 'store of value' clans.

Fortunately for the small block militia, Bitcoin was designed to protect minority opinions from the tyranny of the majority, by giving them nigh-infinite veto power.

Another way to say "contentious hard fork" is "breaking Bitcoin." They are functional equivalents, and equally impossible AFAIK.

Bitcoin was engineered to withstand a continuous, coordinated attack by all the world's nation states, banks, and hax0rz. It's not going to change just because some Gavinista-cum-Toominista assclowns make a lot of noise on Reddit about "Capacity Cliff" and "Hard Landing" FUD.

The "Free transactions 4eva" dimwits never had one iota of a chance in hell of perturbing Honey Badger.

The funniest thing is they know that, but refuse to accept it. Cheesy

So technically there is no difference?