You obviously don't understand what was meant by "real". I still stand by my statement. Both have had contributions to Bitcoin, but they are not as big as you think (especially lacking in lately (some time prior to Classic)). Gavin would be better off being a speak such as Antonopoulos. Besides, Garzik doesn't even agree with the grace period introduced in BIP109 at all (said 3-6 months should be a minimum) yet Gavin ignored him completely on that one.

Might be a bit arrogant and unusual at times, but still is.