Yea thanks i honestly  thought there was another reason , i normally don't say a  thing in you all thread but wanted to say ty as well for the update and agree Avalon stuff is a lot nicer , i hope they keep it that way , and  trump bitmain in every way , i kind  of got screwed over by bitmain but let go and refuse by any thing from S7 and up unless it's like S3s .They quoted me a price I went to buy it then they jack the price up and play hard noise , IVe sense let it go and Avalon came out to late with the A6 im saving now for the new stuff but Ive seen some A6's sells as low as 599 not sure how real the sells are or if it was a scam or not, i think on ebay believe or not . I'm waiting it out now. I use CK pool a lot more then i used to : .