Re: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs
Patmast3r, I don't want to fight with you, at least not today 
I want to talk to you in a civil manner, and I'm expecting the same from your side, at least for this time.
I'm not attacking anyone.
What I'm asking is:
Why you posted the above Red highlighted Statement, when:
- Richie from Bittrex said on his own post that he has been informed about the Social Engineer Hacking on date March 17th (a NEM Developer contacted him in Slack, and not Codtycoon IMMEDIATELY after the hack attack as u say)
- Codtycoon said to CECVW that BITTREX was hackered on date March 15th.
Considerations about this:
There are 2 days in between the 2 events (so I wouldn't use the word IMMEDIATELY),
Kodtycoon is not the one that contacted the Exchange, as Richie Attested, and
NEM Dev contacted the Exchange only after CECVW started to publicly post here (on 16th March)
I want to talk to you in a civil manner, and I'm expecting the same from your side, at least for this time.
I'm not attacking anyone.
What I'm asking is:
Why you posted the above Red highlighted Statement, when:
- Richie from Bittrex said on his own post that he has been informed about the Social Engineer Hacking on date March 17th (a NEM Developer contacted him in Slack, and not Codtycoon IMMEDIATELY after the hack attack as u say)
- Codtycoon said to CECVW that BITTREX was hackered on date March 15th.
Considerations about this:
There are 2 days in between the 2 events (so I wouldn't use the word IMMEDIATELY),
Kodtycoon is not the one that contacted the Exchange, as Richie Attested, and
NEM Dev contacted the Exchange only after CECVW started to publicly post here (on 16th March)
I don't have details on the attack but i understand it involved social engineering the support. That can take at least 2 days and only after the support acted would kodtycon have known that the flaw indeed exists. So it's hard to pinpoint how long after he knew that his attack was successfull he contacted the exchange. Within 1 day I'd say qulifies as immediately given that timezones and support response times were involved. That's subjective and debateable but to me that seems like he did tell them in a reasonable amount of time.
I'd like to point out that richie stated that a NEM Dev contacted him. For all I know he could have thought kodtycon is a NEM dev. I have seen 0 proof of the fact that they only made contact after cecvw posted here. You guys keep claiming it but I have seen no proof of it. Truth is only the people that were involved in the conversation can know and since you werent involved, I wasn't involved and cecvw wasn't involved neither of us should be making any claims regarding the timeline because we simply can't know for sure.
Also know that multiple exchanges were contacted when the flaw was discovered. They people involved wanted to get all exchanges to fix the flaw. If you think about it not posting publicly about this makes a lot of sense if you know of a flaw and you have no malicous intent then you want that flaw fixed before it goes public. Makes sense no ?
I'm only trying to explain that this is the kind of things we are referring to, when we say that you guys are trying to covered it.
We don't want to offend you or anyone else. We only refer to things like this.
Don't want to attack anyone, don't want to be offensive with anyone in any way. Of course, if you don't attack us first.
It's just a simple analysis of facts, do you understand it ? that's all we want.
We don't want to offend you or anyone else. We only refer to things like this.
Don't want to attack anyone, don't want to be offensive with anyone in any way. Of course, if you don't attack us first.
It's just a simple analysis of facts, do you understand it ? that's all we want.
I and everyone else understands the facts. We simply see them differently and understand that this is a matter that NEM itself wasn't involved. We can't know who knew what and when they knew it so smearing everyone and their uncle is absurd. Why try to smear a project that some people are working very hard on because one person acted in a way that cecvw didn't like ? It makes no sense and since you guys are constantly regering to justice...where's the justice in that ?
I've copied and pasted the above facts from conversations and previous posts, so I think i'm not misreporting information has you accused me in previous messages.
For you convenience, the post from BITTREX Owner (Richie) is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg14266960#msg14266960
I understand, as you stated in the previous message that you have A LOT of NEMs and you want to defend them, you don't want to sell them...
Nobody's asking that. I understand it. Do whatever you want with your NEMs.
For you convenience, the post from BITTREX Owner (Richie) is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg14266960#msg14266960
I understand, as you stated in the previous message that you have A LOT of NEMs and you want to defend them, you don't want to sell them...
Nobody's asking that. I understand it. Do whatever you want with your NEMs.
I'm supposed to cut all my ties with NEM. My XEM and the contact i have with the people are all ties I have to NEM so clearly that is what is asked.
What drive me crazy is when I are trying to explain something, and someone else involved in the counterpart try to deny me any rights with any sort of argumentation only with the intent to point public attention in a different direction.
Is not that we are crazy, or we want to act as psychopaths as you like to define us.
Is that really crazy asking a Clarification about something that happened in the Community that is not clear ?
Is not that we are crazy, or we want to act as psychopaths as you like to define us.
Is that really crazy asking a Clarification about something that happened in the Community that is not clear ?
Yet when people clarify or ask for clarification on your (cecvw and you) part all we get is stuff about scandals and cover ups instead of level headed responses. You guys are the ones that see a conspiracy in everything so we don't get to clarify anything because anything we say is just to cover stuff up which is absurd. We have no reason to cover it up because we only care about NEM and NEM wasn't involved in this mess kodtycon was. And the only wrong thing he did was use someone elses coins to test the attack which cecvw according to the messages seems to have been cool with until he didn't get part of the bounty.
What I'm just asking, in the most polite way, with a huge 'please' in front of it (if this help to get a nicer treatment from you):
WHY you say "..He told them immediately after the hack.." when reading his messages and also the Exchange owner Post it appears that Hack Attack was done on 15th March, and Exchange has been privately contacted on 17th March from a NEM Developer, that means who contacted them cannot be Kodtycoon since you assured Kodty is not in the NEM Development Team anymore ? CECVW started to post about this issue on 16th March...
That's it. Only Why you do that.
We would really appreciate if you could help us to understand you statement.
I'm not freaking out, I'm not acting like psychopath. So you cannot use this as excuse this time. I'm Only asking why you say that, and based on which facts..
That's all.
I'm asking this saying PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. With no Irony.
I don't think I'm asking too much.
Thanks in advance, in case you will be able to reply to this message with the same calm and sobriety I've used to write it.
Again, no irony was used to write this message. So please, try to reply in a serious manner.
Thank you Patmast3r
WHY you say "..He told them immediately after the hack.." when reading his messages and also the Exchange owner Post it appears that Hack Attack was done on 15th March, and Exchange has been privately contacted on 17th March from a NEM Developer, that means who contacted them cannot be Kodtycoon since you assured Kodty is not in the NEM Development Team anymore ? CECVW started to post about this issue on 16th March...
That's it. Only Why you do that.
We would really appreciate if you could help us to understand you statement.
I'm not freaking out, I'm not acting like psychopath. So you cannot use this as excuse this time. I'm Only asking why you say that, and based on which facts..
That's all.
I'm asking this saying PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. With no Irony.
I don't think I'm asking too much.
Thanks in advance, in case you will be able to reply to this message with the same calm and sobriety I've used to write it.
Again, no irony was used to write this message. So please, try to reply in a serious manner.
Thank you Patmast3r
I guess I answered all of it.