You are correct in that atheists don't have a written moral code, like the 10 commandments, but you are incorrect that we don't have values... Atheists are the only ones who took the time to think about morals on their own... we decided right from wrong based on the impact on society, not from some dusty old book...
I do agree that Atheists do have morals, however those morals were impacted, be it by indirect historical influence or (doesn't seem like in this case) directly by providing a base, by the "dusty old book" you are talking about.
This is a common misconception...
We have already established that do not steal/murder are based in atheism/philosophy, rather than christianity...
I propose that all morals are based in such things... christians also did not invent the concept of the golden rule, "treat your neighbor as yourself", etc...
The only influences that christianity has had on society are negative... all of them... there is evidence to back up this claim
Christianity has convinced people for 2000 years that witches, homosexuality, and practicing any other religion is evil and worthy of death (it says so right in the book)
Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
The entirety of christian history is nothing but war and murdering "the other"...
You want to talk about the most savage murderer of all time?
God... no contest... God murders countless people in the bible... literally...
How do you count how many people God killed in the flood?
In just the places which give numbers, God is responsible for murdering 2,400,000+ people (not counting the flood, 10th plague of Egypt, and other uncountable genocides at the hand of God)... Which war had more than 2,400,000 deaths?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_peopleWhat sort of all-knowing God creates a planet only to declare everyone evil, wipe it out with a flood, and start over?
Couldn't he see that coming, and create humans slightly less evil the first time?
This is a common misconception...
We have already established that do not steal/murder are based in atheism/philosophy, rather than christianity...
I propose that all morals are based in such things... christians also did not invent the concept of the golden rule, "treat your neighbor as yourself", etc...
Provide solid evidence otherwise your claim is rather pointless.
The only influences that christianity has had on society are negative... all of them... there is evidence to back up this claim
[X]All previous arguments in my post ignored
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...
[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed
The entirety of christian history is nothing but war and murdering "the other"...
[X] The fact that these wars were often based on greed for fame, land, money and/or power ignored.
[X] The current status where modern major branches of Christianity (non-extremists) that live in peaceful co-existance rather than "killing the non-believers" ignored.
You want to talk about the most savage murderer of all time?
God... no contest... God murders countless people in the bible... literally...
How do you count how many people God killed in the flood?
In just the places which give numbers, God is responsible for murdering 2,400,000+ people (not counting the flood, 10th plague of Egypt, and other uncountable genocides at the hand of God)... Which war had more than 2,400,000 deaths?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Examples_of_God_personally_killing_people [X] Possibility of it being a metaphor for humanity that has plunged itself into it's own demise due to the lack of control of themselves ignored.
[X] The possible total count of murders committed throughout history including all wars, genocides and singular murders ignored and dismissed.
[X] Use of clearly biased source, that mocks the other side, while attempting to look professional.
What sort of all-knowing God creates a planet only to declare everyone evil, wipe it out with a flood, and start over?
Couldn't he see that coming, and create humans slightly less evil the first time?
[X] Ignore possible different religious interpretations of an extremely old book. Like God saving the non-violent remains of humanity from the catastrophe the violent population caused themselves:
https://redeeminggod.com/why-the-traditional-understanding-of-the-flood-is-wrong/.
[ ] Possession of appropriate level of reason, analytical and research skills required to participate in a fruitful discussion rather than throwing digital feces all around.
I thought you were an intelligent and reasonable (simply frustrated with the common low-intelligence follower of a particular religion) person, Moloch. It seems that in terms of intelligence, you are slightly above the zealously religious fundamentalists nuts that are the only ones that waste their time trying to discuss with you.
I bid you a good day for I'm tired of participating in another discussion that'll end like the one with trickyriky did: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1402980.0 Although I'm probably going to regret getting into this again, screw it.