Post
Topic
Board Politics & Society
Re: Gun freedom advocates - what weapons shouldn't be legally available?
by
organofcorti
on 10/01/2013, 00:10:01 UTC
Where guns are allowed, rampage shootings don't happen.

In the case of guns, sure. But if a disturbed individual wants to go on a suicidal rampage and they have a weapon that will kill them and many others at once, why wouldn't they use it?

Are we back to nukes, then? Suicide bombers happen now, you know. (might want to ask yourself why they do that, too)

Not necessarily. Kevlar and something that spits out lots of lead all at once will also do the trick I imagine.

Doesn't really fit the "a weapon that will kill them and many others at once" though, does it?
Let me rephrase to something a little less explosive:

...... In the case of guns, sure. But if a disturbed individual wants to go on a suicidal rampage and they have a weapon that will kill them and many others quickly and in a short period of time before they can be killed, why wouldn't a disturbed individual use such weapons/armour?

A kevlar vest could enable an individual to last longer before either he is killed by someone else or he runs out of targets and turns his weapon on himself. "At once" was very poor phrasing on my part and does sound very bombish. I was thinking more that the event would be over quickly, but in that time many could die before the killer could be stopped.

"In the case of guns, sure," indicates that you accept that citizens armed with guns will stop a rampage shooter armed with a gun. So, we can rule out firearms. You're now ruling out bombs. Exactly what weapon do you suppose the nutjob has, then?
OK:

But if a disturbed individual wants to go on a suicidal rampage and they have a weapon that will kill them and many others quickly and in a short period of time before they can be killed, why wouldn't a disturbed individual use such weapons/armour?

Isn't that exactly what happens now? Nutjob gets a gun, and proceeds to go someplace where they can use it to kill a lot of people before they are stopped? A tactical vest is not going to stop a headshot from killing them, nor a leg/arm shot from disabling or killing them, and anything more protective is really going to stand out at the mall. So the risk of an armored nutcase going on a rampage is pretty low, I'd even venture to say negligible. And even if he does, somebody might have loaded AP this morning, "just in case." (the likelihood of that happening goes up with more armored nutjobs)

So getting back to your original point, this won't happen where weapons are allowed? Or is it more like an inverse relationship with gun freedom?

Quote

You haven't mentioned any limits on the type of antipersonnel technology a citizen should be allowed to access, the topic of the OP. Do you think there should be any? If so, what?Hand guns ok, automatic weapons not ok? Knives ok, swords not ok?

Nope, I don't think there should be any limits, not when it comes to government law anyway, it should be down to the discretion of the seller whether or not they think it's a good idea to sell to certain people or not.

Why would a seller not want to sell? Especially if he or she doesn't live locally.

Oh, if a seller were liable for harm caused by the person they sell to, they'd be very careful.  And have insurance.

Not all vendors will sell legally. There's a big black market for weapons now - why would that change?

Nukes don't get blown up all the time now - why would that change?



So how does this stop block market arms dealers from selling weapons in a way of which the local community would disapprove?