I meant ones who, like me, actually went to college to learn programming and database design.  Not just someone who attempted to sort of learn it on the internet and only learned the syntax then volunteered for a FOSS project like phpBB3 or something.  That reminds me of all the women in my web design class who knew nothing about computers or servers or the internet.  They just wanted a more modern job than fashion design so they switched degrees and now they make website without knowing what Redhat is or what JPG compression means.  Those people have no business working in IT.