Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

thunder isn't useful for buying 1 cup of coffee
its useful for buying 100 speate cups of coffees instantly.

Open Channel for standard bitcoin fee
send 100 payments for each cup of coffee
Close Channel for standard bitcoin fee

cool huh?

I don't get why people are worked up about this, or why this Lightning is taking such a long time to develop.
Here's a way to solve the coffee problem that's both simpler, more secure, and more elegant than Thunder Cats:
1. Walk into Starbucks.
2. Buy a gift card for 100 cups of coffee, with BTC or USD.
3. Use gift card each time you need to buy stuff from Starbucks. Functionally identical to Lightning/thunder,
4. Profit!

i agree for coffee like TX, thats the way to go.

but for things like coinbase accounts sending 1000's of payments to bitpay... lighting and or thunder is a big deal.

I'm o.k. with sticking with starbucks as an example. We are not talking about 1 user buying several cups of coffee, but instead possibly 100 users or 1,000 users buying coffee through the day or the week or whatever period of time that the vender chooses before finally resolving with the blockchain .. and then at the end of the day, week or month, all of the transactions are resolved that are within that channel for $.10 or whatever is the applicable fee for the whole bundle of transactions.

Each one of the "1,000 users buying coffee through the day" will have to ~~buy a gift card~~ open a payment channel with Starbucks. The only difference is Starbucks would have access to all the "gift card" money if sold gift cards, while no one would have access to BTC with Lightning.
So not sure what you're trying to say.