Quote from: Evildrum on May 30, 2016, 07:16:46 PM

Quote from: ObscureBean on May 30, 2016, 04:37:43 AM

Quote from: Evildrum on May 29, 2016, 05:07:03 PM

Disagree.

I gave the example of resisting arrest,which can be easily manipulated by twisting your hand and getting you to jump from that pain. So resisting can now be seen as a hate crime and this now gives power to throw people away for a much longer time.
This is not a attack on individuals but the concept of policing that has gone far off course from what it used to be.

- Revenue Generating
Its now common for all police forces to generate funds by handing out tickets and this is quite obvious near the end of the month when they need to fill their quota.

- Arm of Government not the People
When has a police force ever taken the side of the people in a peaceful protest?

You also have a high number in the states of returning war veterans that are stream lined into the police force.
So its not wonder the police forces are running more like military than a actual police unit. Factor in PTSD and you have a timebomb waiting to go off.

Not a attack on individuals but the concept of policing today is bullshit!
So there will come a time when people will be judged for deciding to wear a badge.
The issue of first response people being attacked is not good but we have charges for that,hate crime is a serious offense here and I am sure it holds even more weight in the States.

Pretty simple for me,not going to hand over more power.

So what are you saying? Power should be handed over to the people instead? Somehow I don't think you fully realize what that would mean. At least with the government, we know where we stand, their ultimate aim is for the country as a whole to prosper, I doubt there is a single politician out there who would want to see his country burn. If you give power to the people, they will only seek to use the power to further their own selfish ideals. And you're dreaming if you think "the people" would stand as one. You'll see small groups forming everywhere making their own rules and using terror/power to get what they want. It would be pure chaos and the country would be doomed. Just look at the Middle East and other countries where the government has very little power.
Police officers are outnumbered 263 to 1 (2008), without some protection from the law, they would be stomped on. The law needs to be updated every now and then to reflect the age we live in.

Knowing where you stand even if its in horseshit is more important than change for the better?

The idea that people will group up is based on using the same faulty system that is in place but jigging it ever so slightly. We have the technology now or soon to make it possible to address issues in a free forum with out manipulation.
Tried and true does not mean better and sitting in horseshit because its what you are used to,does not mean you are living a better way of life.
You make it sound like I am endorsing Anarchy when all I have said is the police are being given way to many weapons to arrest innocent people with on a bad shift for them. Have you not looked at the prison system and seen it reflects mental health,racism and poverty. Why not put money into those issues instead of filling the beds so these jobs can prosper!

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The numbers of cops vs the public almost tells me where you are coming from. Its a mentality that the whole public is going to rise up and attack. Those numbers reflect the ultimate worse case situation and if the whole public got together there must have been a damn good reason,like maybe killing innocent kids.

Besides, it is simply a politically nice way to tell us not to dial 911 in an emergency, both so that we aren't targeting useless cops for help or for further damages that they often do. Call a good buddy instead.

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