well found out why its so hard to recover truecrypt files.

a normal file has a signature at the start and end turns out truecrypt files are random from the very start to the very end (makes it almost impossible to recover even if its just been deleted, unless you know where the start and end is)

luckily im the lazy type and its a copy of another truecrypt file so its the same random mess of numbers for the start and end  which means using r-studio i can now run a custom scan and find the start and end of the file do i know where it is and can recover it.

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