yeah moyes is a good manager if he is not under pressure because when you look at his career in everton he always had some consistensy in performance and even battled for championsleague spots with minimal ressouces so that an acheivement and for stones i think he is just a good young defender and nothing special about him
Quite the opposite obviously moyes is never a good manager, it is just that his constant performance hasnt made any significant impact yet to their management therefore I believe they let him do as he wish and now even when roberto martinez deliver better result than moyes yet he was replaced by koeman
Roberto Martinez delivered only one good season and the rest rwo seasons were very poor as he finished outside the the top eight and moyes for 10 years in everton got one time worse position and it was the 11 anfmd they also he finished one time the forth and that time he was named premiere league manager of the year