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Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion
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JayJuanGee
on 05/08/2016, 01:54:28 UTC
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4vtv1m/bitfinex_down_due_to_bitcoin_security_breach/d64ow17

socialized losses for bitcoin and loans to btc/usd positions. guess we'll know the full facts in a few hours.


Thanks for that link ECB...    The post pretty much states that Bitfinex is going to make a more official update tomorrow, but in the meantime, like you said, Bitfinex is considering a way to socialize losses amongst Bitfinex BTC holders.

 I don't really have a problem with socialized loss in the sense that Bitfinex would later pay back those "losers"... yet, I believe that they are not considering paying back the "losers"...

 I think that it is a bit irresponsible to cause the users to hold the bag... and even though we are finding out some details, we still have to wait for more specifics, which seems to be scheduled to come out tomorrow.

Although Zanetackett keeps talking about scenarios he has stated twice that USD funds will not be susceptible to the socialised loss. I feel for the Bitfinex Bitcoin holders, but it seems the Bitfinex USD fund holders dodged a bullet, provided Bitfinex implements its socialised loss scenario.


https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4w7o1j/itfinex_update_regarding_margin_funding_providers/d64q1b3

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So USD funds (that were simply held and not lent out) would not be affected at all by the hack, correct?

In that scenario, they would not be susceptible to the socialized loss.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/4vtv1m/bitfinex_down_due_to_bitcoin_security_breach/d64qhkr

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Im presuming the BTC I was holding may be subject to socialized losses, but not the USD in my account?

That would be correct.


I also read that Tackett said that Bitfinex was considering a variety of scenarios, so they were not completely taking options off of the table.  I personally believe that in the end, a representation that they are not mixing assets would likely save bitfinex a lot of complications by NOT mixing different asset classes.. so even if they are not taking options off of the table, if they are conceptualizing various scenarios in which they are not going to mix assets, then that is a better arrangement.

On the other hand, if they are conceptualizing scenarios in which their customers are taking losses for their lack of security, then that kind of a conceptualization would have a considerable chance of losing them credibility and good will under their current and potentially future customers.