For the record, Kakmaker, calling you dumbass or imbecile is much different than stating that you're acting like one or portraying yourself as one. I do like the debate, however, so thanks for that.
But your argument is still invalid in the sole fact that (after reading your last reply) you still seem to think that there is an expectation of someone getting paid out $200 every hour. I still don't know where you got this notion from, and I think it's safe to assume that you small into a very small percentile of people that think that someone is winning $200 every hour on the site.
As far as the site being provably fair, I would say that only matters when users are depositing their own money to play on a gambling style system, such as with the multiplier/dice section of the site, which IS provably fair. As far as the lottery goes, you enter it and buy tickets using your EARNED rewards from the faucet, which is zero risk of losing anything but the time the user put into claiming from the FREE faucet. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing anyone to claim from the site. But your argument has holes in it because you're basing it on your perception of the user being forced into making claims from the faucet and being required to play the lottery, which is not the case.
If I didn't think the site was fair OR worth my time, I wouldn't go back to it. Simple as that.
My reaction to your argument is solely based on your passive aggressive tone towards the players of freebitco.in, along with the owner of freebitco.in, in which you make it sound like he is scamming people because he's falsely advertising a claim that YOU have misconstrued and misunderstand (I have never once ever thought or believed that $200 were being paid out every hour lol) and is not providing proof of a provably fair system for the faucet. That's just absurd, and using a similar logic is why I say you look like a dumbass and an imbecile.
But your argument is still invalid in the sole fact that (after reading your last reply) you still seem to think that there is an expectation of someone getting paid out $200 every hour. I still don't know where you got this notion from, and I think it's safe to assume that you small into a very small percentile of people that think that someone is winning $200 every hour on the site.
As far as the site being provably fair, I would say that only matters when users are depositing their own money to play on a gambling style system, such as with the multiplier/dice section of the site, which IS provably fair. As far as the lottery goes, you enter it and buy tickets using your EARNED rewards from the faucet, which is zero risk of losing anything but the time the user put into claiming from the FREE faucet. At the end of the day, nobody is forcing anyone to claim from the site. But your argument has holes in it because you're basing it on your perception of the user being forced into making claims from the faucet and being required to play the lottery, which is not the case.
If I didn't think the site was fair OR worth my time, I wouldn't go back to it. Simple as that.
My reaction to your argument is solely based on your passive aggressive tone towards the players of freebitco.in, along with the owner of freebitco.in, in which you make it sound like he is scamming people because he's falsely advertising a claim that YOU have misconstrued and misunderstand (I have never once ever thought or believed that $200 were being paid out every hour lol) and is not providing proof of a provably fair system for the faucet. That's just absurd, and using a similar logic is why I say you look like a dumbass and an imbecile.
Now with this kind of tone, I can work much better. Anger just clouds your judgement. I have introduced a lot of my friends to this faucet a few years ago, and most of them were under the impression that this site were paying up to $200 per hour to some random winner. They have used it for a while, and then realized that they would never WIN more than 300 to 400 Satoshi's per hour. Most of them moved on, calling it a scam. < Their words >
As for people not having to deposit anything to participate, I would have to differ from you. They spend their time and the cost of their electricity, by doing this and some of them deposit their own money to buy Lottery tickets. Browse back in this thread and you will find people mentioning that they bought x amount of tickets and they still won nothing.
< The answer are always the same, "Buying more tickets only improve your chance, it does not guarantee it" >
The fact is, this site are not regulated, they claim to be provably fair but it's not proven and winners for whatever reason do not report their winnings? It is just logical for some of us to start asking questions.
Most faucet users are from poor countries or they live in 1st world countries, but they not wealthy. We should make sure that these people are not exploited by sites that may not be above board, so questions needs to be asked, even if it makes some people uncomfortable. ^hmmmmmm^
As much as I can understand your sentiments, it still doesn't justify the initial tone that you took with users of the site. The investment of time and electricity is a decision that the user freely makes based on their desire to fill out a captcha for claiming their 300 or 400 satoshi per hour. No one is forcing them to do so. Additionally, the site doesn't require the user to use the lottery or the multiplier; those are all free choices made by the user themselves.
I never play the lottery anymore (I stopped while I was well ahead after winning the 3rd place in one of them), and I never use the multiplier. I simply make faucet claims here and there, continue to refer users to the site, and reap my benefits from it while fully knowing that the chances of me hitting the $200 claim is minuscule and nearly non-existent.
As for your argument that winners do not report their winnings... It is absurd to think that every user of the site is a member of these forums. I, for one, have only been a part of these forums for a bit over a year, but I have been claiming from freebitco.in since well before the time I joined here.
Like I said before, your arguments are extremely invalid, because you're basing them on a notion that joining this site is a NECESSITY to the user that visits it. At the end of the day, the choice is fully theirs, just as it is for you not to visit the site again. But to continue to make an invalid argument here with such fallacies continues to make you look like you're just digging a bigger hole that was based on your own misunderstanding of how the site operates.
You're definitely entitled to your own opinion, but when you start making allegations and demands that players stop visiting the site, it makes YOU look like your judgment is highly clouded
That's just my observation, and I really don't know why I've spent so much time going back and forth with you, especially knowing that our mentality isn't going to change on either side.So this will be the last time I address you regarding this subject
Thanks for the conversation, though; it actually ended up pretty civil here towards the end!Just to correct you on the highlighted section. Wetsuit in his own words sends emails out to Big winners to request them to join this forum and this thread to report their winnings. I have never assumed that all users of this faucet are Bitcointalk forum users. They are actively being requested to join, to report their winnings to the public.
The min. payout was increased because network fees just keep going up and we are spending more than $200 a week just in auto-payout fees. Also, small transactions are bloating up the size of our bitcoin wallet which makes sending payouts very very slow. It takes our wallet over 12 hours to complete the auto-payout run now during which time we receive about a hundred "where is my money you scammers?" emails every week. The affected users will receive auto-payouts every 2 weeks now instead of 1 week so it's not really that much of a difference. Also, you should avoid receiving small payments to your wallet anyways because it just increases the fees you have to pay when you spend those small inputs.
Also the reward points needed to redeem for bonuses has been reduced by 33%!
can you answer a decent question i think your faucet is here long enough for someone to get max payment 10000, there is opened thread with alot of users playing and noone ever heard someone wins it, is it just like its there but it does not exist or is it a real chance to get it?Also the reward points needed to redeem for bonuses has been reduced by 33%!
regards.
-Katerniko1
I send emails to all winners who win big prizes to let others know but most users do not choose to do so. Some have posted about winning in the two threads in this forum so you just need to go through the threads to find them. Also, many users who use freebitco.in are not users of this forum or they post in their regional sub-forums.
I do not usually reply to these questions because the free play game and dice game both are provably fair. If you feel that the website somehow cheats, please let everyone know how.
Wetsuit should sort this uncertainty out soon, because people are starting to ask questions. Just look at his post history, he has to explain this provably fair claims over and over again. ^hmmmmm^