FYI David (I assume at this point it really is his account) has been in contact with me.

This is the conversation and I would like the community's opinion on his attempt to 'steal' my money with a forced refund!?!?!

David
I truly don't have time for this nonstop complaints from people whom benefit nonstop from my work. What is the issue, you are unable to claim through the automatic process and therefore you feel that you are in the right to slander and complain about our work?

I will resolve this right now: What is your seed?

James/Me
As I said, I have never benefited from your work, nor have I complained non-stop. Much of the stuff I did was constructive. I have spent an enormous amount of time and energy following the project until now and I contributed to the foundation and the deal (>20%/450Gi of my measly 1btc buy at ICO). I don't appreciate being spoken to like some kind of scumbag. If you don't know who you're talking to then the assumptions you make about them put you at disadvantage, not them.

The only issue is the talk of light wallets not mattering, a streamlined claiming process not being a priority and yet exchanges being touted as due for launch before the end of the year.

My point is that you cannot launch on exchanges until those of us who have been unable to claim have reasonably simple access to our coins. As I said, until we have easy access we do have a right to make certain demands of you (like us having access prior to exchange launch). Once that is sorted and I can move my coins or sell them easily then I agree that you can do whatever you want and it's none of my business.

I'm not making a complaint, I'm asking for a very reasonable course of action... light-wallet or simplified GUI with easier claim process before any exchanges hit.


David
I could spend another 30 min responding to each of these points, but it is a waste of time, I got infinite other tasks lined up. I have told you I will resolve this issue right now, so what is your seed?

James
How will you resolve it right now by me giving you my seed/s?

Why on earth would I just part with ownership of my IOTAs direct to you on here with no escrow? I'm scratching my head wondering whether this is a scam attempt from a fake account?

If I ever give my seed to someone it will be Yassin and I will have contacted him and been assured btc are waiting for me on the other end.

I'm a big fan of 'trustless', that's why I'm involved in this space. Nothing could make me part with my seed other than triple-checked escrow.

David
You, as an incompetent idiot who bought tokens you couldn't even retrieve through a simple claim process have whined nonstop about this, then I offer to claim them for you and resolve the issue and you can't even comprehend that? You are nearing the top of the list of retards I have had to deal with throughout IOTA. We sold IoT software, not 'liquid assets', if you can't even utilize the software you should just shut the fuck up and sit back and accept that you are useless and wait.

James
Lol, no, you are a naive and childish little man who can't comprehend the simple reality in which the rest of us live. I have kids  and a very busy life; I have tried twice to claim but both times I had issues and I have already had to jump through a number of hoops 'claiming'. Since the vast majority have not claimed it is perfectly obvious to anyone that my points stand. You must release a light wallet before exchanges, otherwise you give the majority of us cause for complaint.

Since it sounds like this is actually the plan it seems like it would have been simpler for you to just reiterate that, rather than coming out with your usual pathetic and childish attacks.

You did not sell me IOTA, you sold me a share of it the value asset being traded on it. I do not own 'IOTA', I own some 'IOTAs', so that is what you sold me... you fucking simpleton! (since we're resorting to personal attacks?!)

Honestly, you need to grow up A LOT. Talking to you is worse than talking to an angry teenager. You're certainly top of the list of the most immature and naive developers I've dealt with. Fortunately I've spent my life surrounded by very bright people, so it's easy for me to see the difference between smart and wise Roll Eyes You will come a cropper, pride does indeed come before a fall and I have seen many arrogant kids like you come and go in my time. FWIW I'm not a total retard, just a reasonably bright, normal, older person with some peculiar issues running a node.

And I did understand what you were suggesting, my point was that I found it very suspicious and I do not trust that you are David, or that you can be trusted even if you are. I would not part with my seed except for escrow btc deal. Not even so you can 'do it for me'... i find it bizarre that you think I should be willing to give you control of my asset while you insult and rail against the very obvious and common sense things I have been saying. You do not foster trust by combining insults with demands. Nor do I have a level of technical savvy that would give me confidence in identifying that you are who you say you are in BCT PM.

Honestly, I have nothing more to say to you. You aren't mature enough to listen, all you do is defend and attack.

/sigh and shakes head at the angry little boy who makes judgements long before the facts are in

David
I won't even read this, you have made it clear that you are not happy with your purchase from our legally registered company. As CEO of said company I have made the decision to resolve this issue by refunding your iotas and send you your original btc in return. What is your BTC address? Thanks.

James

 Roll Eyes

I'll give them to someone OTC for a bit more than that thanks.

Although after a year of following the project it will feel like a sour pill and a lot of wasted time...

David
James, you have expressed your dissatisfaction with the purchase in a very explicit and public manner, which professionally will be resolved by a refund. I have answered your concerns, I have offered to help you and yet you continue, so now I draw the line here. You have been informed that your purchase will be refunded by the one who sold you the software from a legally registered company, if you OTC an account that will be excluded in next snapshot you may face legal action from whomever you sell it to MY FULL NAME. (as if that were a threat lol).

It's interesting, I remember we had a conversation several months back where you expressed full support and praised mine and the rest of IOTA team's work, interesting how your opinion changed just because you didn't get your way. But a refund will resolve this legally.

James
No it won't because I'd have to accept a refund and I still control my own seed. I do not accept a refund. I have publicly asked for something very simple, light wallet before exchanges, and I will sell my seed or coins as I see fit or there will be legal recourse.

It is not for you to decide who is dissatisfied or why, only the customer can make that call and you are a legally registered company, so liability is an easy thing to pursue if you try to seize control of something that by your own declaration belongs to me (since you sold the software then wash your hands of it).

I certainly was in full support. I was in full support right up until you told a few other people to fuck off for no good reason, then you did it to me when I was asking that the light wallet remain a priority before exchanges and trying to make people see that it was important for numerous reasons.

I'm done with these conversations. I will not be accepting any refund, I will maintain control of my seed and sell my coins at my own discretion tyvm. It would be a trivial matter for me to pursue legally and you would be paying costs for any legal expenses I encounter if you try to block any txs from me on the network.

David
Take it up with Norwegian law, it is 100% legal and compliant to refund a customer, particularly when that customer publicly expresses dissatisfaction repeatedly and also show a clear misunderstanding of what they purchased in a public fora such as this.

I was willing to help you several times, but this last msg of yours make it obvious what kind of person you are.

Please forward your legal contact information so that our attorney can take it from here if you want to pursue this further. Thanks

-David

So, my question to the community is how on earth can David know which addresses are linked to me even if he knows my real name from slack etc?

Secondly, is no one else incensed at this response? Does it not seem ridiculous to everyone?

Obviously I would contest it legally and I don;t see how I could fail to win.

I have not expressed any public dissatisfaction, a quick re-read of my posts reveals that, nor do I misunderstand in any way what I bought.

Do I actually need to bother contacting my lawyer or is there no way for David to know which investment was mine at crowdsale and trace that through to today's addresses?