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Re: [ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency
by
Solarminer
on 27/01/2017, 19:09:30 UTC
For any newbies, here is some history:
Then accused of trying to take over Dash by submitting a proposal to get technology into vendors called vendor-experience.  Instantx anyone?

You submitted a proposal for 729 Dash for a 99 month duration. Numerous voters told you they would change their votes if you decreased the duration. We told you that the price of Dash was going to rise a great deal over those 99 months, and that we didn't want to effectively vote you an unlimited budget (72,171 DASH over the course of 99 months). At today's valuation, that would be $1.1 million. You have done some great things for the project, but most people were not willing to allocate that much money to your project.


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  • Called a scammer for supporting Dash and community with a slack and then stopping it when the proposal was defunded.

Let's not try to change the facts...the proposal got defunded AFTER you said that it would no longer be a Dash Slack. You had already received two payments from the Network, which you refused to refund. You then tried to sell the Slack (that the Network paid for) back to the Core Team. "Scammer" is such a loaded word--if you have another word for somebody who took possession of something that somebody else paid for, then feel free to use it instead.

I want to be clear: you've done some great things for Dash. For a long time, I considered you a member of the "loyal opposition." When you decided to steal the Network's property, that's when I began considering you a scammer and a troll. Others may see things differently, and that's fine. Most of the time I have you on ignore, but I will from time to time pop up and remind any new community members of your past actions, just so that they have all the information available and can make up their own minds about you.

Cheers!



First point.  The budget is a renewable monthly voted in budget.  It doesn't matter if the proposal says 99 months or 2 months, it can be voted out at any time.  I am not upset that the budget was declined.  (Maybe a little frustrated that GrandMasterDash posted on every 3rd post that the time length was too long and moderators did nothing.  Every 3rd post.  Really?  LOL.)  The concern is that core members called it a plan to overtake Dash.  Severe language in private messages, rants on slack calling me out, upset posts on the forum from Kot, Andy, etc.   Not at all a normal reaction to a simple budget proposal.

At the time, this would have created new displays for shows, new products to help merchants use Dash, and we would have got to a terminal device that merchants could use.   At least Kodaxx, snogcell, and chaeplin have started something with POS.   It isn't enough, the core should be focused on retail and POS adoption instead of ignoring it and hoping the community will try something.

2nd point.  Slack was owned privately and had 100s of members before it took any Dash funds.  Funds were used for promotion and moderators time.  All expenses and funds were posted on dashtalk with updates.  This is the typical response for any community member trying to do something.  They get critiqued to death and called scammers.  A core member proposal can go a year without anything useful to show for it, end up with a failed project, and hardly get slapped on the wrist.  At the same time anyone pointing out how bad the project is after it becomes obvious gets called a concern troll without any critical discussion about the project.

Since this was now brought up by Tungfa, Stealth, and yourself I'll post an analogy.
Care rental place owns car.   (private owners owned slack)
You pay for rental, pick up car.  You pay for gas.  (slack got some rewards from the budget for promotions, it wasn't SOLD to the network)
You stop paying for rental.  (slack proposal stopped getting rewards)
Do you expect to own the car because you paid a little bit of the cost of ownership?  (so the slack now is owned by the community?)
No, you return the car.
Do you call the car rental place a scammer for not giving you the car?
No, you return the car and end the transaction.

And I did offer the slack to the core guys as an open bid.  They declined to respond.  A few days after my request 2 new slacks opened up.  Not rocket science what happened.