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Re: Lauda/TMAN/minifrij extortion attempt
by
Gunthar
on 29/01/2017, 23:52:18 UTC
^^You don't find it anything wrong if one member is an alt of a user who has been banned from this forum? You don't find it wrong to try to extort money from another user (may it be for a good intention or not)?


Even Shorena leaves a negative trust on Lauda's and TMAN's accounts as extortion is not some thing that should be ignored. It should atleast make the person feel that they have made a mistake/failed attempt of an extortion. Though I know their intention was not to actually extort money but still an attempt was made.
I have a question here and anyone wanting to clarify this would be much appreciated. I have read this entire matter over and over before to take a clear stance. To my opinion, Lauda was and is someone with a good level of contribution to this forum, but it is my opinion.

There are a few questionable points, and there are some that are not (again IMO):
1.- Was it an "extortion" attempt or a "sting operation" attempt?

As far as I can understand, it was a failed sting operation which is, in many law enforcement jurisdictions, allowed, legal and ethical. Here in Italy where I live, for example, there are even some interesting TV shows recording "sting operations" (failed or succeed depending on the luck) and people simply approve those sting operations eating popcorns while they watch at criminal being caught. See i.e. "Striscia la Notizia" or "Le Iene" movies which are very popular and both broadcasted on national TVs. Here you can see sting operations against any crimes: tax evaders, drug dealers, money laundering and counterfeit, prostitution and so on. I don't think Italy is so far away from other forum member's jurisdictions, isn't it? It would never happen, indeed, that people would believe or mix up the real criminal with the sting operation team (sorry Zeroxal I'm talking in general as I don't know you, nor I have facts that would bring me to understand you committed any crime, nor I'm interested in). How is it possible to turn the sting operation team into the actual criminals if they fail? Again: was it an extortion attempt or a sting operation attempt? (Have I asked it enough already?)

I know, though, there are some countries sting operations are not legal, not allowed. Reading from Wikipedia Sweden should be one of them.

The only exception a sting operation would become a crime is the case the "victim" would not have committed any crime without being solicited: I am not a drug dealer, but if you offer me 10M dollars I might become...

I am open to any discussion about this point, and I'm not trying to defend Lauda at any cost. Also: I'm putting all my efforts to ignore the fact that out of the latest ten threads open in the last week on this matter, ten were open by Qs (feel free to correct me if these stats are wrong). I'd just appreciate a transparent, fair and honest discussion over this point, without personal grunges.

Shorena is the one that apparently took a stance on this so, an answer from him would be an appreciated priority: "Part of a failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer."
What is exactly in your opinion a "failed/faked extortion in order to gather information about a possible scammer":
1.- An extortion
2.- An attempt to spot a possible scammer

I am confused by this rating because people like me rely on you DT members to ponder about our stance on many matters on this forum: if you think it was an extortion in the attempt to gather money from Zeroxal, please provide me evidence of this and I will change my rating on Lauda too. If it was an attempt to spot a possible scammer, why you consider that a neg rep worth?

As I said there are some other not questionable points on the matter which have been handled by whom it concerned IMO:
1.- Any sting operation made by a Staff/Moderator with/without forum admins permissions (guess it was solved internally with Theymos)
2.- Gathering information from users (points at Timelord) without explaining the use they would have done with these information (guess Timelord's rating solved the issue)

Thanks!
~Gun