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Re: So who the hell is still supporting BU?
by
franky1
on 01/02/2017, 13:47:16 UTC

here is what andreas is saying summerised

'if people let segwit happen then people can run an LN node and earn income'

thats the sales pitch refined..

however the reality is .. LN hop nodes wont earn much/ if anything, but now they are locking their own funds into permissioned contracts and having to run 2 nodes, hoping and praying for someone to hop through them.

this will be the reality though.
if you ignore using a hub and instead go for the 'hop' idea of LN... the costs are even bigger and penalty risk is higher

eg
A<->B
B<->C
C<->D
D<->E
imagine A wanted to pay E using the 'hop' concept.
first A move funds to B..
B wont change his funds with C for free so A has to pay a fee to B to thank him for his involvement
next B move funds to C..
C wont change his funds with D for free so A has to pay a fee to C to thank him for his involvement
next C move funds to D..
D wont change his funds with E for free so A has to pay a fee to D to thank him for his involvement

so to pay E is 4x the fee compared to just trading with B

this is what blockstream are hoping for. so this is where they become X (a hub)

A - X - E
   / | \
 B  C  D

now everyone only has to pay 2x hop fee (A pay A->X, A pay X->E).  but everyone can trade with each other.(via X)
downside.
now X has 50% authorisation permission status with everyone.
now X has can be the deciding factor of how long they want to make customers funds mature for after settlements confirm (CLTV)
now X has can be the deciding factor of chargbacking their customers funds after settlements confirm (CSV revokes)

yea they may get some competition where starbucks or walmart become a hub. and offer a cheaper fee. but thinking that the 'hop' concept will be used dominantly is not a rational end result.

every day LN node users will not get income. because every day LN node users wont want to pay fee*N where N is the number of hops needed
they would join a hub to cut their own costs.. but that hub, becomes the 'paypal2.0