Where in the prior post did I state I thought you are liar? As far as I remember, you have told me you have 2 children (I wasn't going to mention that but you have quoted my 3 - 4 children statement and claimed I am claiming you are a liar).

(Note further upthread I stated I thought you were regurgitating lies, but that doesn't mean I think you are consciously lying, but rather I that I thought you were deluded by ideology. But in the recent post I am trying to move away from personalization of this issue.)

The 3 - 4 children is taken from your statement that orthodox Jews are averaging 4.5 children and also my rough, quick guessestimate of what is necessary to stay above replacement rate.

It seems to me you are trying so hard to characterize me as an unethical person, so you can take the holier than thou stance in your mind. This is typical of religious people. They think they are superior. I indeed tried to depersonalize while respectfully addressing the points you made. How did you invent this liar allegation in your mind ostensibly in order to support your ethical superiority? Where in what in my prior post is an objective evidence that I was alleging you are a liar?

As I wrote in my prior post, when we debate core life philosophies and ideology, it becomes very stressful. Who wants to question their own life plan after already making a huge investment in it that can't be changed analogous to the inertia of the Titanic. I tried in my prior post. And this is your reaction. So please stop trying to frame the debate as if you are the victim. The stress is mutual. As well, I am under acute health (and as a result also financial!) stress at this time.


What have you stated that you think is true which you think refutes my claim that putting the woman's hindbrain a par with the men's obligation to lead destroys the society with social activism?

Where have you refuted that fact that you claimed that men are unable to think for themselves and that only God can tell us what is moral and ethical?

Btw, since man invented God, then it is ludicrous to claim that God can tell men which morals and ethics are absolutely true:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD9f0XU_S78
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orFKj0coLXA


And that God is a creation of man is not disproven by this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pwp8DtPjCQ

(As I wrote before, I will be replying on the role of religion throughout history, but I've told you, I do not have a lot of energy, so I will get to it when I am able to. I had already written in our discussion that religion is for the weak men, and thus is a way that weak mean enslave themselves, i.e. are unable to think for themselves, because they are incapable of knowing and acting on the truth of how to organize their own cultural evolution. The message of Jesus ((which I claim is an invention of smart men)) is that men should relegate their own selfish goals for the benefit of humanity and any successful cultural evolution will require some amount of selflessness combined with some amount of competition. It is true that when the weak men fall away from religion to hedonism, then society collapses. It is also true in history that torture and war can be justified by religion, so it isn't purely working as an instrument of successful cultural evolutionary superiority but rather just appears to be a natural aspect of weak men. And even within religion, weak men are not following the teaching of religion, because they idolize women and give them suffrage when the Bible and Koran clearly state not to do that! I had stated upthread that my message is intended for strong men.)


Thank you. I hope so too. I am running out of time.