Tis funny to watch both of you, one is wrong about his predictions and the other pushing the gold agenda which is also wrong because it being an ideal form of currency has already passed, thats how the market works, its not backwards looking roach. We have already decided central rate targetting is much more efficient than gold from an economic perspective, regardless of how that experiment works out to, we have achieved more propsperity than we ever would have on a gold standard. Thus gold remains a SHTF safe haven and nothing more, basically a pump and dump between recessionary scares... and the chances of catching the ride up are far from maximized compared to a utility based safe haven such as bitcoin which is far more ideal money than anything else that exists.