you guys are getting into a pissing match over stupid details
of who said what to this argument and that argument
which was in reference to something else that was said
about an aspect of something that isn't even central
to the scaling debate anyway.

It's like 4th generation "dont give a fuck".

I still want bigger blocks, I still don't like
segwit, i still think core is a bunch of
dishonest obstructionists, but hey
if bitcoin wants to die because
everyone is falling for the propaganda
instead of a 1 line code change for
bigger blocks, well, so be it.  I'll be fine. I have
some ethers too.