i said that you presented a thesis and claimed it is wrong, on that article. you never said who came up with this thesis. like citing is not part of the story if you dont agree with the cited opinion (you didn't cite me nor anyone else and you still can't see what's wrong). was turing completeness framed by you and then un-framed by you? and the links you put are later than the article. find something that was really about the "debate spurred" you spoke about back then