Quote from: Anenome5 on May 01, 2013, 07:29:13 AM

Quote from: opentoe on April 30, 2013, 07:08:01 AM

You know what, all the talk about what companies will deliver and shit like that is nonsense now. I've never seen so much talk about shit that's supposed to happen or supposed to be made. In their newsletter it said that Jupiter would ship early Autumn, and that means in the bitcoin ASIC world late summer, next year. We would have to wait AT LEAST a solid half year for those Jupiters to be made/shipped.

Well that's the risk, ain't it. And if it pays off, the people who get their 250gh monster in August will likely look like geniuses. Or it could turn into another BFL delay fiasco and they're out serious money. But <$10k isn't a huge risk to take considering the potential payoff of 250gh/sec.

No it does not mean in the Bitcoin ASIC world next summer, it means early Autumn '13!

Early Autumn is August ->mid-September.

Look companies overpromising and not delivering on time is NOT standard behaviour for an industry professional. So far BFL and Avalon which appear to have set this trend have been nothing but immature hobbyist companies in their own right that stumbled upon something and got lucky with their timing, development and contacts and grown with financial backing from the bitcoin movement. Avalon's used homegrown university related contacts and BFL has for the most part used trial and error to forge relationships whilst outsourcing. It has for the most part been a lengthy itterative process as they have pioneered new product development. In contrast KNCminer has forged a partnership with a company who already has significant experience with both FPGAs and ASICs. This is not by accident, they clearly decided to start up KNCminer knowing ORSoC existed and what they are capable of. Most of which BFL has bluffed it's way through, ORSoC in contrast, one would imagine has experience in and won't make such schoolboy errors, which is what their (BFL's) errors have been; ref. designing, finalising the design and ordering the manufacture of cases prior to having a working board is precisely that. Avalon on the other hand appear to have forged a strong link with a chip manufacturer, but appear to be struggling with the logistics or the assembly of such a bespoke product.

I would expect a known company that has actively produced similar products for a decade, such as ORSoC to be realistic as to what timescale is required and know they can accurately deliver within such a period without mucking their investor base around. BFL is very much a fledgling company, if negative PR and collective customer distrust destroys it, those involved will walk away with careers intact. Individually they are pretty much set career wise from this experience and publicity gained so far. Likewise Avalon's founder, Yifu Guo's c.v./resume sparkles from this experience becoming the first to market - he has all to gain from this venture as it stands already, whereas ORSoC potentially have nothing but damage to their reputation of their all ready established company if they string customers/investors along and fail to deliver based upon what they've achieved in the past. Remember ORSoC have declared publicly their 'partnership' with KNCminer on their own site (see link below), this is significantly more involved than purely being a third party supplier. They are putting their company's reputation on the line here by claiming direct responsibility in the form of a partnership in this project. They must be confident they will deliver as promised. They must be fully aware potential customers are less willing to forgive another company for the type of mistakes made so far and the damage mass negative PR on the internet would entail. You only have to enter "Butterfly Labs" into google to find links to pages attributing BFL to phrases such as 'scammers' and their consitstent failed promises on the first page of results! Conversely I would imagine KNCminer/ORSoC would acknowledge the potential damage to reputation and be very cautious of promising to over-deliver. Likewise if they do succeed they will forge a very profitable relationship with a solid and hungry tech community, they have all to gain for delivering on time.

Again, Andreas Kennemar and Sam Cole have been very up front as to who they are, their backgrounds are relevant and available for scrutiny. You can find who they've worked for, their associated company website (Kennemar & Cole AB), LinkedIN's, Google+, numerous web related CV's, personal Facebook pages, personal blog involving family, none of which have magically appeared in the last couple of months. They are not attempting to hide themselves.

So let's wait and see what they do promise to deliver, hopefully with a clear set of achievable targets with dates and most importantly working concepts anything until such point that is not directly from the companies themselves is pure speculation, period. Over delivery should be a product in the hands of the consumer ahead of time and with features optimised to perform beyond the initial brief.

And for the record, all those demanding they break their silence and behaving impatient, FFS they only released their intentions for two products last week! The fact they are silent since and thankfully not replying on a bulletin board means they are knocking heads and working on this I would presume. Although I do hope they follow this forum, there have been some good ideas suggested amongst the trash talk, such as a profitable Litecoin FPGA with required DDR memory to mine scrypt. Their role is to optimise return on investment and they know this is dependant on timing and intended function of the product to produce returns.

Link; http://orsoc.se/orsoc-and-kncminer-are-partnering-up-to-develop-bitcoin-mining-products/langswitch_lang/en/