Re: The Barry Silbert segwit2x agreement with >80% miner support.
Your rendition does not come off as very helpful in order to facilitate any kind of meaningful discussion of the matter. You act as if Lightning network is some kind of private entity that is intended to take over and pervert bitcoin in some kind of nonsensical way ...
No, I come off like LN is not part of Bitcoin and is a disconnected 3rd party service (because it is). Saying that LN is part of the Bitcoin protocol is no different than saying that YoBit is part of the Bitcoin protocol; the exact total difference, in terms of the Bitcoin protocol, is the addition of a single opcode which allows for LN to communicate with the Bitcoin protocol more easily for the LN devs.I'm not sure what "meaningful discussion" you imagine there can be; LN is not part of Bitcoin, period. No amount of "meaningful discussion" is going to change the fact that LN is not part of Bitcoin and no amount of "meaningful discussion" is going to make LN is part of Bitcoin.
You're looking for an explanation that doesn't exist. LN = you give away your coins to someone, stuff happens to them outside of the Bitcoin protocol, and at some future point the Bitcoin protocol is informed of who later becomes the owner of those coins (just like using YoBit).
LN can't "pervert bitcoin in some kind of nonsensical way", because LN is not part of Bitcoin.
I feel for you that this is difficult for you to grasp; however, it, literally, cannot be defined any simpler.
It is only as difficult for me to grasp as far as it remains relevant to our discussion of what is important or not important.
The situation boils down to you seeming to be quite adamant about your opposition to various innovations including lightning network (and likely other nonsense that you have been spewing) that are likely to be coming to our lovely system called bitcoin and its appendages whatever those future appendanges may be, whether LN or sidechains or some other still evolving systems that segwit is likely to facilitate.
