Indeed and on top of all that, the added value for the tokens is coming from a third party, not as a dividend from the company that sold the tokens in the first place, so it is several layers here making this different.

Bitcoin people fail to understand that, and they seldom talk about all the darknet illegal drugtrades that propping the bitcoin up, so now when the major darknet markets have been taken down, and the major bitcoin tumbler has been taken down, what will prop up the bitcoin?

Ethereum will stay undervalued until the dust settles after the bitcoin fork, i think it will rally strong after that and therefore drag all the other altcoins/tokens with it.

Many has exchanged Veri for bitcoins, since that was where the price drop was, as i said before, i think they want to get the free Bitcoin cash for it and then re buy theirs position, but since the market has fallen on veri in a very thin trade, i think we can see a massive spike in price after august 1, so i think many will lose on that trade, since the price gap between veri/bitcoin seems to be larger than the actual difference in Bitcoin/Bitcoin cash