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Re: [ANN][OHNI] Cryptocurrency Lending and Banking-American Cryptocurrency
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mithras
on 16/10/2017, 20:09:32 UTC
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Thank you for the project. I'm sorry this was derailed. Mithras was someone who had to be kicked off the project for his childish behavior and since then he's been trying to hound us down.
I will happily tell everybody what happened. I joined the project from /pol/ while you were shilling an airdrop. By this point it had been running a few weeks, and it was just around the time the drama with the devs was happening. When I asked you questions, or tried to give constructive input based on technical knowledge you felt that I was challenging you for control. I wasn't, the fact is that your idea is poorly thought out as I have continued to outline in my posts. You, the_third_man, do not have the required technical or economics understanding to design and implement an average coin, let alone one as trans-formative is ohni claims to be.

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Why exactly does Ohni need to give access to the US government when no other coin does?

Sooner or later regulations will clamp down on tokens, whether they'll be viewed as securities or three letter agencies will require skeletons keys, either way that day will come and Ohni will be ready. The NSA and FBI do not care about privacy, we want to restore some semblance of balance by allowing skeleton keys but having be publicly announced when in use. Again, this is a simple fear mongering tactic. We are very pro-privacy and care very much about consumers, who we are trying to help.
They cannot require keys if they fundamentally do not exist and, if you token is vulnerable to technical censorship when you refuse to create keys, create a better protocol. Do not just say "oh, well, the government wants me to bend over and give em a good time, better do it"

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Why should people trust you with their personal information?

There is zero personal information. Not who spent, what bank account, no credit card numbers encrypted and passed around on the off-chain IoT. Again, fear mongering to try and hurt us. All just because you were insufferable and how to be removed from the discord. This is very inappropriate Mithras. Very. Anyway, there will be no personal information, merely, How much was bought, When it was bought, Where it was bought, What (if possible down the road) was bought, but never Who. Furthermore, the process of cashback in the form of Ohni actually will pay people for their spending information and the whom will simply be an address. So much in the way ethereum or bitcoin aren't totally private if you know who is behind the address, for the most 99.99999% transactions are totally private since nobody knows WHO is behind the address.
Zero personal information? I think you should read your own white paper, page 67, chapter 6, first paragraph.
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Ohni will have many different tokens for non-profit purposes on the Ohni Economic Model. The only other
economic token that is for profit is the medical token. For example, if an elderly individual is rushed to the hospital,
by entering in their name or social security number, immediate medical conditions could be found, as well as
any past surgeries or medical complications. This process could even be done on the phone or in the ambulance.
These tokens will be sold to insurance companies, on the premise that they offer anyone under their care to them for free.

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Why do you refuse to share you own real name?

BECAUSE. Look at you! Attacking me! Do you see this? You're trying to come at us from very angle! I tell people I didn't go to college because it was a waste of money and you try and claim I'm some uneducated peasant. Maybe, if you the very, very, very few upset people like yourself that don't have blood in your eyes, weren't out to get me, I would! But I'm afraid I'll get doxxed and swatted and who knows what else. Besides, we haven't even raised funds yet, we want hire lawyers before we really get in the game. Your hatred is proof positive that someone can be so upset on the internet over nothing.

You got kicked out because you were extremely rude. There was no way to deal with you.

And you want me to go off-anon to be harassed by you? No thank you.
If you read what I write carefully, most of the time you will see that I am simply attacking your ideas and not your personally. When I do attack you personally it is because you answer or ideas are stupid at best or outright malicious at worst. You have to convince us that you are trust worthy and the idea is solid, we do not have to give it any benefit of the doubt. I do not care that you kicked me out, I care that you are trying to shill shitty technology. I care that your technology if successful would be an unprecedented invasion of privacy.

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Why should you have the ability to freeze other peoples money at your discretion?

To prevent another Mt. Gox. I am the creator of this new economic model, it took 8 years and I will see it through to it's full path. Again, the only wallets that are frozen are the people who tried to rip us off, which is about... 9 wallets? At most... And we have over 2600 wallets or something like that at the moment? This freezing power won't continue on for a long time. It was meant as a temporarily relief over people like YOU who are trying to hurt us. Again, we have to deal in a decentralized and anonymous way until we're capable to be strong enough to stand attacks as vulgar and desperate as yours! You're trying to make us seem like a scam, when we are nothing of the sort! We've grown from NOTHING, in 76 days through SHEER hard work WHICH DID not involve you and you got upset.

As for freezing, it also helps save the network. If someone is trying to inject malware or steal a ton of tokens, we can freeze the wallet implicated and re-compensate users for their loss. It's for protection and as well these admin privileges allow versioning or updates of our ethereum contract. Nearly every big coin I believe has them, including Bancor. We're not the only ones and we've been public about since day one. This is not a big surprise and THE ONLY people who are upset over this are the people who promised to dev work then ripped us off and fled. And the fact that you take their side shows that as upset as you are, I was right to retain freezing privileges.
You have been working on this for 8 years? and all you have is a white paper and a website?
I presume because it is 8 years, you started just after bitcoin was released? You must be a super early adopter then? how is it being rich? why do you need our money to get started?
The number of wallets doesn't matter, we are arguing the principle of being able to freeze.
You want to freeze my coins because I publicly criticize your ideas?
Did you start 8 years ago, or 76 days ago? What changed?
Bancor having them is a shitty idea too, as many people have said.

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Why should any exchange list your token (which is needed for most people to be interested and for it to gain any real value), when you have screwed the one exchange that did by freezing the wallet?

I told them to return the 600 million tokens that the fake devs fled with and confiscate the other 42 million and we would return any Ohni to any users lost. We have a guy we will return ether to because he lost on the exchange. The exchange failed to cooperate and it was never my decision to be on there in the first place, it was the fake devs who pushed me to find one exchange. Bad idea, it was a mistake. The reason why is because a repeat of this will never happen. It can't. We don't have a bunch of tokens sitting there of people who are going to profit enormously for ripping us off. It's like the DAO hack but having it very early on from untrustworthy people. And you've shown your true colors, attacking us at every angle to showcase that I was right in my decision. I have already spoken with a number of exchanges, the exchange isn't a worry for me, my worry is raising funds and hiring lawyers and getting a corporate charter up to be official and to dissuade the multitude of lies and hate that people like you are spreading.
I am not lieing about anything, I am asking questions and criticizing the fundamental ideas and principles that your coin is built on. You are asking everyone to use ohni as the new way of life and for them to trust that you, ttm, are the person to manage and administer it. That you are the person who can be trusted to faithfully and fairly decide who gets frozen, who doesn't. But we don't get the know your name.
They weren't fake devs, they were poorly chosen devs. Poorly chosen by you. But we can still trust you will choose wisely next time right?