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Re: If Anarchy can work, how come there are no historical records of it working?
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ktttn
on 07/06/2013, 05:23:37 UTC
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As a member of a union, you must have frustrations with union politics, unless youre the person folks are frustrated with.


All life is poitics.


Confirmed for scab union boss.


What?
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A global perspective, you don't have.
Get one.


Son, you really don't know me, and you are not guessing well either.
My gender's on my profile. I'd prefer kiddo. That "I dont know what capitalism is" is your whole arguement.


My error on your stated gender aside, you don't know what capitalism is.  You can't define it in a coherent way.  If you could, I'd have something to work with.  In it's simplist form, capitalism is defined as private possession and control of the means of production.  It's really much more complex than that, and forms naturally from a known set of naturally arising default rules of humanity; but you have to start somewhere.  But capitalism isn't a political system.  Despite claims to the contrary, capitalism existed even in the Soviet Union at all times.  And I can prove that.  There is really no way to avoid it completely.

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At yer local third world malwart manufacturing plant.
Capitalists see reds everywhere.

Who are you talking to here?  If you are still talking to me, I don't see 'reds' anywhere.  I've never even met a true communist that I'm aware of.  Forums on the Interent are the only places I've ever had conversations along these lines, and I've lived in Chicago and California.  
I don't need a dictionary to spin, arm out, pointing in all directions, referring to the neoliberal capitalism rampant today, the capitalism that built railroads or the capitalism that came out of the dissolution of landed nobility.
I go to a commune or a co op and I see hippies, but I also see a basic building block for society.  I'm as much a communist as Bakunin.
Unions are a building block, too. Within capitalism, they devolve into union bosses and halfassery.
A guild or syndicate, on the other hand, are not subservient to a capitalist proprieter.
Edit: Can we talk about Slavoj Zizek now?
Capitalism- an historical era where the means of production and products belonged exclusively to moneyed entrepreneurs, state officials, and speculators due to state protection of legal claims to privateized property.
There, does that not cover both communism and capitalism as they have always existed?