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Judge for yourself whether or not this has anything to do with "Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion", as per the title of the thread from which it was deleted.

Feel free to add your own deletions here. This is a self-moderated thread, which I think means mods will treat it as hands-off. I will delete commercial spam if any. Otherwise, hands-off - as long as it pertains to stuff deleted from the WO thread.



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How about nodes? Does BCH actually have any that aren't Bitmain?

I cannot speak definitively. There's mine. I ain't Bitmain. I assume that many others -- who I know to believe in the direction Bitcoin Cash has set for Bitcoin's future -- likewise run nodes.

Not much of an answer, that. Sort of hand-wavey.

I agree. Of course it is hand-wavey. What do you want me to do? I have no definitive list of all nodes. Do you have one for Bitcoin Segwit? Tallying them up -- in a permissionless environment -- would seem to be the responsibility of the person desiring the statistic, no? I guess in this case, that would be you. Right?

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Perhaps if you could make a cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash, you might have a point. But so far, all I've seen from you or others is mere hand waving.

Node count and distribution is important. Why are you pretending it's a non-issue?

I am not pretending it is a non-issue. I assume there are currently fully-validating non-mining 'nodes' in sufficient number. I am also assuming as people who operate fully-validating non-mining 'nodes' shift from focused upon Bitcoin Segwit to being focused upon Bitcoin Cash, that they will start operating 'nodes' upon Bitcoin Cash. Does this seem unreasonable to you? If so, why?

Of course, it is true that I have much less regard for the operation of such non-mining, fully-validating 'nodes' than do most. Indeed, I believe they provide essentially zero benefit to the system as a whole (though they do provide some measure of benefit to their individual owners).

Further, I believe that any system that does not provide forcible barriers to entry is decentralized to the extent that it need be. If the decentralization is purported to 'keep another class of parties in check', then spinning up a single said decentralizing element is sufficient to perform the task at hand. The system need not depend upon ridiculous oversubscription to perform the requisite function.

So presumably, that was your best 'cogent case showing how Bitcoin Segwit is in any way more decentralized than Bitcoin Cash'? What else ya got?

(apologies for the somewhat aggressive tone)



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OUR SEVEN SOCIAL PRINCIPLES:
WE ASSUME GOOD FAITH.
WE REWARD THE POSITIVE.
WE ACT WITH DIGNITY.
WE TRUST EACH OTHER TO FAIL WELL.
WE DO NOT ASK PERMISSION.
THE NETWORK IS MOTHER, THE NETWORK IS FATHER.
WE HAVE FUN, BECAUSE IT ATTRACTS MORE PEOPLE.

drugs are bad mmmmmmkay?

OTOH, vision statements are usually good. mmmmmmkay?



10.600 BTC sell wall on Bittrex, @ 0.1 BTC/BCH

Edit: probably Roger Ver's last stash in this pump.

Probably not. I've been trading 10 BTC per day into Bitcoin Cash most days for the last few weeks. I ain't outta ammo yet. And I'm just an itty-bitty minnow.



BCH doesn't give to users anything that BTC doesn't!

Well, other than affordable and fast transactions. Oh - it also gave better than 100% in the last few days. Bitcoin Segwit? Not so much.

Cheers!



BTC actually has significant advantages over Bitcoin Cash, even if it has higher fees and transaction times, simply because it's the common denominator for literally every altcoin.

True statement. At least at this moment in time. Don't get too cocky now.



BCashers got rekt.

In whatever bizzaro universe better than doubling your money (closer to 4x) in the last few days can be considered 'rekt'.