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Re: Choice words of wisdom for the forum investors from our esteemed leader.
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Deprived
on 27/06/2013, 14:13:20 UTC
FWIW I personally consider a security to be a definite success when (and only when) investors have received back at least the average IPO cost in dividends/final payment.  Until then it can only be a likely success that could still end up a failure if the operator ran with the cash - as recovery of funds in scammed/dead BTC securities is pretty much nonexistent.

I actually agree with you but I find it comical how quickly you flip-flop in your definitions and positions in a discussion. For example, given your above definition, Tu.SILVER is a success:

2013-06-27 08:50:02    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-26 02:41:04    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-25 05:22:12    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-24 19:03:41    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-23 22:09:30    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-22 07:31:30    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-21 11:34:13    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-20 05:16:10    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-19 08:26:15    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-18 08:24:04    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000
2013-06-17 07:55:37    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-16 06:12:50    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00003000    ฿0.05496000    
2013-06-15 04:00:41    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002900    ฿0.05312800    
2013-06-14 08:28:24    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002800    ฿0.05129600    
2013-06-13 00:55:30    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002700    ฿0.04946400    
2013-06-12 05:48:09    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002600    ฿0.04763200    
2013-06-11 08:07:28    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002500    ฿0.04580000    
2013-06-10 14:43:20    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002400    ฿0.04396800    
2013-06-09 12:40:53    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002300    ฿0.04213600    
2013-06-08 07:30:38    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002200    ฿0.04030400
2013-06-07 01:07:06    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002100    ฿0.03847200    
2013-06-06 05:38:07    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00002000    ฿0.03664000    
2013-06-05 00:30:18    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001900    ฿0.03480800    
2013-06-04 13:09:31    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001800    ฿0.03297600    
2013-06-03 02:31:56    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001700    ฿0.03114400    
2013-06-02 07:04:52    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001600    ฿0.02931200    
2013-06-01 02:35:42    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001500    ฿0.02748000    
2013-05-30 21:41:07    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001400    ฿0.02564800    
2013-05-30 00:44:43    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001300    ฿0.02381600    
2013-05-29 00:31:48    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001200    ฿0.02198400    
2013-05-27 23:49:36    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001100    ฿0.02015200    
2013-05-27 01:27:03    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001000    ฿0.01832000    
2013-05-26 12:08:04    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001100    ฿0.02015200    
2013-05-25 08:21:03    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001000    ฿0.01832000    
2013-05-24 12:35:37    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1832   0.00001000    ฿0.01832000    
2013-05-03 10:39:06    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1232   0.00500000    ฿6.16000000    
2013-05-01 13:09:53    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1232   0.01000000    ฿12.32000000    
2013-04-29 11:26:44    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1232   0.00300000    ฿3.69600000    
2013-04-29 11:26:13    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1232   0.00154880    ฿1.90812160    
2013-04-24 10:02:24    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1222   0.00800000    ฿9.77600000    
013-04-18 12:09:22    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1222   0.00710000    ฿8.67620000    
2013-04-11 11:32:50    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   1222   0.01700000    ฿20.77400000    
2013-03-26 15:39:29    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   790   0.00140800    ฿1.11232000    
2013-02-23 08:28:28    DIVIDEND PAYMENT: (TU.SILVER)   800   0.00128000    ฿1.02400000    


(Total per-share returned to investors: 0.0551178, internal BV calc: 0.0472)

Now, if you can't admit that TU.SILVER is a success, can we trust anything else you say?

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.  This time you seem to not know the difference between IPO price and current NAV/U.

Your initial sales were at ~0.2 BTC.

Those people have received back .0551178 in dividends and have remaining value of .0472.  i.e. they've LOST half what they invested.  As it happens, on this occasion, that isn't your fault - as a lot of that loss is the drop in price of silver.

But for it to be an automatic success in my terms they'd need to have received back (in dividends) more than the 0.2 they paid originally.   which ASICMINER has done and LTC-ATF has done (original IPO was 10 LTC, the 2 dividends we've paid amount to 25 LTC per share).

It doesn't become a success because you make enough loss to reduce current NAV/U below dividends you've paid to date.  Were that the case (which wierdly you appear to believe) then any share could be a success by dividending out 1% then losing the remaining 99%.