So, in conclusion, claiming any part of a man is considered violence if the claim can be backed by force. Claiming a part through reason is absolutely voluntary and not violent.
Feel free to address any holes.
Thank you for being patient. I appreciate your time discussing this with me. I apologize for my anger and disrespect.
So you're saying if a simple man creates an object from gold, and then a witty man comes along and convinces him that he should give it up, that is justified?
People are generally not rational, look at the state of the world today and the sheeple that inhabit it. Global governance has convinced most that the systems we currently have in place are the best and they go along with it voluntarily but it does not make it Right.
Sorry for picking, I'm just interested.

First of all, if you apologize for having a discussion with me again, I will not be pleased. ; )