I think someone in thread cancelled with paypal, and went ok,,,if i see it I will post it. But others have complained also? I will give them a chance to put through the cancellation,,,if things dont go quickly,,,i will call paypal etc. I feel TH started out with good intentions, but hit to many snags and are overwelmed. What else could it be? If things were in motion for them they would be happy to tell us,,,so,,,,Like I said, this week coming up is going to have to be it for me. Looking hard at KNcMiner, may would be late in the year to get it,,,but bigger G/Hash, proven systems, for less $ per G/hash...and things are straight with paypal for them..so, we'll see.