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Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game
by
dooglus
on 15/07/2013, 15:27:15 UTC
So last night the whale cashed out 1300 BTC, I processed it manually after checking the stats looked OK.  This morning I log in and see that the site has recovered 1300 BTC of its losses.  Yay!

But wait.  Sinking feeling in stomach...

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07:36:25 (1959) its a scam
07:36:31 (1959) hes just pretending to lose
07:36:39 (1959) so he can come back and clear the entire bankroll out
07:39:17 (1) bob: it's worse than that
07:40:38 (2619) dont scare me doog...
07:41:00 (1) ugly story:
07:41:03 (1) last night 'celeste' asked me to cash him out 1300 BTC
07:41:19 (1) I panicked, shut the site down, reduced max bet, checked stats
07:41:31 (1) it all looked ok, so I put it back up and sent him 1300 BTC
07:41:37 (1) but didn't debit his account the 1300
07:41:42 (1) so the 1300 he lost last night was mine
07:41:44 (9006) Oh doog :|
07:41:51 (9006) you kidding me? :|
07:41:55 (1) he really lost it, but it wasn't his
07:42:00 (1) no - that's what happened
07:42:12 (9006) so the 1300 he lost was actually the sites?
07:42:17 (9006) or your own private 1300?
07:42:18 (1) he denies playing it at all, says someone accessed his account
07:42:24 (9006) Oh the lies.
07:42:34 (2619) and, there is no way...
07:42:35 (1) well, it's 1300 that was in his account that I should have subtracted when cashing him out
07:42:42 (1) it's my fault, so I guess it comes out of my pocket
07:43:41 (2619) While i feel yes, it should come out of your pocket... PLEASE put up a donation address
07:43:54 (9006) doog: 1300BTC?
07:43:54 (2619) I know I will help you out
07:43:56 (9006) Christ... wtf.
07:44:09 (9006) can't you correlate IP/ISP so when he's next on take 1300 back?
07:44:27 (1) I just divested 1300 BTC from my personal investmet
07:44:39 (1) because the cold wallet will be short that 1300 that he lost overnight
07:44:47 (2458) So your saying celeste isn't going to pay for it?
07:45:14 (1) Big: he won't deposit again, I'm sure
07:45:27 (2619) Well, atleast it was not 10,000 btc
07:45:28 (9006) doogie man.. that's depressing. I am very sorry to hear that Sad
07:45:33 (1) I asked for the 1300 back, because he's always seemed like a good man in chat. he logged off
07:45:37 (2458) Gee, and I thought I was down.
07:45:42 (2466) shit doog...that sux
07:45:46 (1) yeah
07:45:59 (34659) I didn't log off...
07:46:04 (1) I guess it's to be expected, because bitcoin
07:46:07 (11587) cele will never play? u say?
07:46:11 (34659) but I cannot login as celeste...
07:46:20 (2619) well wait doog... did he use the withdrawl system to request the amount
07:46:25 (2619) or did he just talk to you
07:46:36 (34659) I'm back online already, doog, check your talk window.
07:47:14 (1959) so basically he saw he still had a 1300 coin balance, pissed it away and then said he didn't do it? lol
07:47:15 (8660) The price is looking at 1mBTC/1000 impressions
07:47:36 (1) flory: the play looked just like celeste's play
07:47:48 (9006) Man - this is depressing.
07:47:57 (9006) doogie 1300BTC Sad
07:48:01 (2458) You'll make it back doog, in a year
07:48:02 (2466) karma will bite in the end...I believe that wholeheartedly
07:48:06 (9006) $130K. Fucking brutal.
07:48:08 (9006) what a scumbag.
07:48:10 (2458) I hope he gives it back
07:49:02 (2466) time to stop manually processing deps/withs...let 'em wait, tough shit on both sides
07:49:14 (2619) Doog, how about increase the house take to ~20% till you recoup your loss?
07:49:24 (2619) from invester profits
07:50:47 (9006) celeste did seem fairly decent.
07:50:51 (9006) So I hope they work it out.
07:50:59 (1) bob: right. I left it in his account and sent it to him. so when he lost it, it's money he shouldn't have had
07:51:02 (2466) i think this just blew up much bigger than anyone expected so fast...seems like just yesterday investor balance was 9K
07:51:30 (9006) Ah OK - so site, in theory, should still be -1500 in the hole?
07:51:43 (1) site will have 1300 less than it should, yes
07:51:48 (2) if he hadn't put his own in and played and lost, yes
07:51:49 (1959) but doog used personal money to fix the hole
07:51:52 (1959) since it was his mistake
07:52:04 (9006) Hmm.
07:52:04 (1) so if everyone withdraws, the last 1300 won't be anywhere - unless I pay out of my pocket
07:52:31 (1) so I have 1300 in my balance right now. if I don't withdraw it, that will be the last 1300 that isn't anywhere
07:52:52 (2466) i don't have much here, but it is staying for the long haul...I'm still behind you doog
07:57:51 (9006) 1300BTC is a huge hurt.
07:58:22 (1959) whats his reasoning behind it having beens omeone else who gambled
07:58:27 (1959) did he say someone else was on his computer?
07:59:51 (1601) I feel terrible and I didn't even lose the btc
07:59:58 (34659) I'm celeste, nakowa, and cici, but now I cannot login with the username of celeste.... I'm talk with doog, right now.
08:00:21 (1) that's true - flory is the same guy
08:00:30 (1601) I hope flory/celeste/nakowa/cici pays it back, I think he always seemed like a decent fellow, and he did do that 10,000 withdraw so probably has the btc
08:00:30 (2619) good to see you flory
08:00:38 (11) i hope u pay the 1300 btc flory
08:00:40 (2359) plz make it right nakowa
08:00:48 (2466) yes, good to be honorable...shit now i sound like snnr
08:00:50 (2458) Flory, I hope you give the money back, dooglus put a lot of work into this site
08:00:57 (1) he's telling me he left his laptop in a cafe with the google-auth code on it, and someone found it, found the code, and played just like him, losing the balance...
08:01:08 (1959) LOL
08:01:12 (11) wow...
08:01:15 (33677) well
08:01:15 (2619) :|
08:01:17 (34659) it's not me.
08:01:32 (33677) IMO it was in his account even if it was him he SHOULD have been free to do what he wanted
08:01:34 (9) does not matter if you or not
08:01:37 (33677) it was in his account....
08:01:38 (9) your account
08:01:43 (1959) who leaves their laptop with millions of dollars of BTC on it unattended?
08:01:54 (11) this^
08:01:55 (2) that seems very implausible, flory, tbh, but yes, yvonne, it was in his account
08:01:55 (9) either pay it back or I feel IP ban is warranted
08:01:55 (1) it's my mistake
08:02:01 (1) and I've already said I'll cover it
08:02:10 (1) it's easy to change IP addresses
08:02:13 (33677) just sayin
08:02:15 (9006) doog: I don't think that's fair.
08:02:21 (9006) doog: I think he duped you and he knows it.
08:02:37 (1) Big: if you or anyone else wants to share in my loss: [17r66d9Sis99eZWtsZpEuK1rtpZCgr2sDU]
08:02:39 (9006) doog: He was here talking this morning when he lost and it *was* the same guy.
08:02:47 (2458) Flory, your asking dooglus to cover your mistake.
08:02:54 (1959) well
08:02:56 (2458) the game has to be fair
08:02:58 (1959) really it is doog's mistake
08:03:00 (33842) while it sucks for doog, investors shouldnt have to pay
08:03:03 (1) it's my mistake
08:03:07 (9006) doog: without sounding ungrateful I'm down $700 PayPal Chargeback and 1000GBP scam over bitcoin Sad
08:03:22 (33842) flory needs to make this shit right
08:03:27 (9) whatever you need to do Doog boot him
08:03:28 (1) Big: I don't expect anything. I thought you asked for a donation address, but I guess it was Aah
08:03:36 (2) it was aah
08:03:45 (1) "07:43:41 (2619) While i feel yes, it should come out of your pocket... PLEASE put up a donation address"
08:04:22 (34659) Sad here's the situation: it's not me, doog made a mistake, someone else lost it, it's not fair for me to "re"fund, although I'm concerned about doog too....
08:04:28 (1) bob: I think this is the point where I'm meant to shut down and run with the cold wallet, right?
08:04:39 (2619) Tongue
08:04:41 (1) not going to happen
08:04:51 (2) i'd raise the commission, as well, doog, if i were you, at least to 10
08:04:51 (1959) doog: yes thats your 401k
08:04:54 (14752) flory at least admit you lost it... no one believes the laptop crap
08:04:59 (1601) doog: maybe this is all a ruse to make us trust you more Smiley
08:05:07 (1601) tin foil hat
08:05:09 (1167) oh sorry to read all this doog, i thought i had have bad luck, well i'll stick with the site, things will turn around
08:05:09 (1) will: not helpful
08:05:12 (2) heh, will
08:05:54 (2466) the problem with increasing commission is that there wasnt any to be had during yesterdays run because of the site getting hammered by whales
08:05:56 (968) uhhhhh.... but those "non-coins" went back to the site.
08:06:07 (2) right canna
08:06:10 (1959) wait how far back do you need
08:06:13 (2) and right, martingale
08:06:22 (9006) martingale: They shouldn't have though. That's the issue. They needed to go into doogs pocket.
08:06:59 (2466) whatever you need to do to keep the site functional is good by me...we will all make out in the long run...the rapid expansion was just overwhelming i think
08:07:02 (1) martingale: so now the non-coins have been lost, and are in the investor accounts
08:07:14 (1) martingale: I need to deposit them so the investors can withdraw them
08:07:34 (968) ah, ok.. if the investors will withdraw. they might just leave them there, for now.
08:07:48 (9) Doog did the right thing in covering, but still Flory should be banned, because the of the lack of control on his side, a large casino would do the same
08:07:55 (1) martingale: it doesn't matter. I'm not going to run the site with 1300 coins missing
08:08:20 (2458) Flory, if dooglus credits your account -1300, which is what he should and normally would do, it's up to you to pay the bill
08:08:33 (968) cant you "take it back" ... reverse those bets, then from there, remove them properly?
08:08:44 (2706) ok, how about adding a "donate" option to the invest tab so we can invest our percent to cover this if we choose?
08:08:44 (1959) uvwvj you dont ban your whale
08:08:47 (2458) it's too convenient
08:08:52 (2619) but he already sent the BTC out
08:08:53 (1) martingale: investors won't want me to take money back from their accounts
08:08:59 (12182) im with usagi, i dont really care how, why, or who lost 1300 btc with your laptop, that was yours to secure.
08:08:59 (1167) umm a -1300 account is not a bad 'fix' to be honest
08:09:04 (9) you absolutely ban your whale, if your whale is an issue
08:09:07 (2706) I'd happily tick that box for you, but then I've only a small amount invested.
08:09:16 (968) but its money that's not supposed to exist.
08:09:36 (968) it's like the fake coins when this was testnet.. no one could withdraw 1 million testnet coins.
08:09:53 (34659) doog, I think you should rollback database to 5 hours before...
08:09:54 (30938) he can't just reverse 1300btc because people have invested and divested since then based on that and every other bet since
08:10:16 manually debiting user 31791 with amount 1300.155
08:10:04 (2) right whitty
08:10:08 (30938) so the simple fix isn't so simple
08:10:13 (9006) Hmm. This is sad.
08:10:17 (1) "08:10:16 manually debiting user 31791 with amount 1300.155" - but I don't see what good it does
08:10:19 (9006) doogie I feel horrible for you Sad
08:10:24 (1) he won't deposit there to clear the debt
08:10:37 (34659) whitty: ... it's too unfair for doog...
08:10:42 (2706) yeah, I saw that, but most investors wont. if it's on the investor page, maybe you'll get more. share the mistake. We're all human, and all make mistakes. expecting doog to cover this, while honourable, isn't really fair. We all invested in the site, win..
08:10:45 (34659) he's a nice guy...
08:10:49 (2706) or lose.
08:10:55 (9) we know shithead
08:11:01 (30938) so someone invested before the money was lost today, then divested with profits and people who invested after would miss out
08:11:02 (2458) Flory who is going to cover my loss?
08:11:12 (968) well,, the site was "frozen" when you were investigating.... freeze it now, roll it back, ... its money that's not supposed to exist. suddenly, this site has a fractional reserve.
08:11:39 (1) martingale: no fractional reserve. I paid the loss out of my pocket
08:11:40 (3980) <*Angel*> martingale - bitcoin doesnt do
08:11:44 (3980) <*Angel*> Rollbacks
08:11:52 (3590) rollback? really?
08:11:54 (3590) why?
08:11:56 (14977) rollback lul
08:11:59 (1) no rollback
08:12:32 (2) doog post on the forum, and make some sort of box here people can check to give a portion of their profits if they choose to

Fuck.  I dun goofed.

I thought it was bad before this happened.  Now I just don't know what to think.

I made a donation address in case anyone wants to help me cover the loss.  It's my fault entirely, and I don't expect anyone to donate, but it sure would help!

17r66d9Sis99eZWtsZpEuK1rtpZCgr2sDU

tldr: I sent the whale his 1300 BTC balance, forgot to take it out of his account, and he played and lost it.  So I had to pay the site 1300 BTC out of my pocket to cover the shortfall.  Whale claims he "left laptop in cafe with $130k on it and screenshot of google-auth code, someone found it, mimicked his play style exactly, and lost the balance", and so won't pay me back.