You are assuming welfare funding has to be by force. If churches collect and spend voluntarily, I would still call this welfare. And as a libertarian, this is OK.
I am not assuming anything he used the word "STATE". Giving donation to a church who uses that funds to give meals to the homeless for example doesn't involve the state. I wouldn't call it welfare I would call it charity but that wasn't the point, read the post I responded to again and try to fit your tortured definition to it.