You claim to be engineers, yet you show little knowledge of the scientific process at work. I wonder if you ever did any science at all in your life, and with what results.

You claim that we confuse things, yet you make the most fallacious arguments about subjectivity and the association with values, ethics, science and personal views.

All I can see is a couple of people withy reasoning minds, capable of presenting some counter-argument, and a lot of big-mouthed ignorants who use words cult and fanatics very lightly.

As the discussion goes into that realm, it is obvious you have:
- no understanding of the subject
- no interest in understanding anything
- a complete close mind when it comes to new ideas, and you keep feeding back to your loop
- all the interest in picking a fight

Needless to say, I am not interested in wasting my time when such conditions apply. So, if and when you are capable of civilised discussion, I'll be happy to answer.

I am a scientist. I have a background in computer science, but in the years I have studies a variety of subjects, and I had the pleasure to thoroughly discuss with people who are doing real science and real research, from biochemists, structural engineers, roboticists, evolutionary biologists, physicists et cetera.

All of those scientists I talked to support my claims to a certain extend. And when they had a criticism, it was based on solid science.

You just shout insults.

As Oscar Wilde put it:
Ah! Don't say you agree with me. When people agree with me I always feel that I must be wrong.

I shall add: tell me that you disagree, and why.